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Defending Yourself… Without a Weapon

It’s staggering to consider the changes we’ve seen in the last forty years. Along with the biggest thing we’ve lost – the respect for the sanctity of life – have come a hundred other losses as well, including the simple security Americans once enjoyed. What the Oklahoma City bombing began, the attacks of September 11 sealed. And it’s not just on a grand scale, either. As partisan, racial, and economic unrest increase, so do your chances of having to defend yourself one on one.

The preparations you’ve made in terms of food, shelter, clean water, weapons and ammunition need to be complemented by confidence in empty-handed fighting. What happens when you need to venture outside your compound to replenish your storehouse… especially when your ammunition stores dwindle or run out? In other words, are you prepared for the inevitable return to empty-handed combat (inevitable for all but those who can manufacture ammunition on the spot)?

Most of us are more comfortable meeting our enemy somewhere within firing range. This is completely understandable! However, to the trained, close proximity can actually bring an increase in confidence. It calms you down to know you’re prepared to confront any enemy, with or without a weapon. There’s a sense of security knowing you’re in control.

But what kind of preparation should you undertake? Remember the difference between self-defense and a true martial art. Self-defense will prepare you for only certain situations and limit your effectiveness to those specific cases. In contrast, a true martial art prepares the student for ever-changing scenarios. In other words, choose a true martial art.

Then decide which of the hundreds of styles is best suited to your individual needs. Of course, you’ll get as many opinions as instructors you may ask. Filter out hype and flash, and ask the important questions. Still, the possibilities can seem too many to consider – Chinese, Indonesian, Japanese, Filipino, or one hailing from another country? You’re not looking for anything defined primarily as a “sport,” unless you’re looking for trophies and recognition. The goal is preparation for empty-handed survival.

Ask family or friends who have been involved in the martial arts for their take on your needs. Visit nearby schools. Would they let you observe, or even participate once or twice (hopefully without cost)? A serious instructor should have no objection to this request. What is the history of the style, and the experience of the instructors? Have any of them been forced to defend themselves out in the “real” world? How long have they been teaching? Avoid those who claim master status, but who have only studied the art themselves for a few years. A true master has achieved this level after years of labor and dedication.

You’re not there to look at the pictures on the wall, nor the latest in equipment. You’re not there to fall for any and every thing the instructor claims. See through the words and frankly evaluate the style. After you find an instructor who lets you watch and participate, you’re halfway there. Do the movements seem natural to you, or forced? Does the beginner start at the… well, beginning, learning the basics, or are they thrown in with higher level students? And most importantly for your survival preparations, are you taught to move effectively from one technique to the next, as most real-world situations require of you? The inability to make a quick and informed transition can spell the difference between life and death for you and your family.

Don’t be overwhelmed with the choices available in martial arts training. Analyze each one that interests you, one by one, until your choice becomes clear. But start now, in order to become effective as soon as possible, and to add the art to your personal skills and routine. You owe it to yourself and those who depend on you for survival.

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48 comments

  1. I would like to humbly recommend Wing Chun. I boxed for years, studied Taekwondo for years and even Pai Lum Kung Fu for years. All of those are definitely great forms of self-defense and great styles of martial arts. However, I find, in my opinion, that Wing Chun is the simplest, most direct means of applying extremely deadly force in the most efficient means possible. Moreover, the style is such that brute strength is not required. Furthermore, Wing Chun is a close-in fighting system. It’s definitely an in-your-face, get it done now, style of fighting. I confess I am not a martial arts historian, but I believe I read somewhere that the legendary Bruce Lee began his studies with Wing Chun.

    I would always find myself totally exhausted after a good boxing workout, as well as Teakwondo. But since I’ve been practicing Wing Chun, I’ve yet to so much as even work up a good sweat. It doesn’t take a great deal of energy and power to injure or even kill someone. What’s required is getting your technique in the right place as quickly and efficiently as possible. Wing Chun is all about that!!

    Anyway … just my opinion. I hope I’ve helped in some way.

    Regards …

    • As a wing chun stylist, do you have any previous grappling/jujitsu training?

      Has anyone ever shown you some of the grappling methods contained within a style like wing chun?

      take care

    • Everybody wing chun tonight!

      Sorry–had to do it. :-)

    • knowbodiezphool

      For SURFER61, you are correct in response regarding Ving Tsun or Wing Chun Gung Fu. The art is a style
      or “system” from the Southern China region. It was originally developed, believe or not by an elderly “nun” to
      combat Japanese soldiers who had invaded mainland China. The stylistically flamboyant aerial kicks that
      predominate in the Northern region of China, are due to large open country and smaller population simply
      require too much athleticism and “fighting room” to be effective in the more populated region in both southern
      China and most large city streets, homes, businesses, or alleys. The Art of Ving Tsun is HIGHLY EFFECTIVE
      as a combat system, also due in large part to the fact that it is a rapid fire, “up close” method that includes a
      technique of “Chi Sao” known as Sticking Hands. In a “boxing” venue it utilizes “traps” to control and redirect
      blows, so that counter attacks can be “launched” more effectively. Ving Tsun is also very aggressive, and does
      not require the “artist” to be attacked first. One of the “old woman’s” students was a gentleman named Yip Man, who then taught among others, a young man who would known as Bruce Lee. Sifu (Master or Teacher) Lee, later studied American Boxing and Fencing in St. Xavier College, and added techniques into
      what he would call “Jun Fan” Gung Fu (traditional chinese for Kung Fu). After teaching in southern California to such individuals as James Coburn, James Garner, Steve Mcqueen, Kareem Abdul Jabar, and
      an individual named Dan Innosanto. Bruce, Dan then continued to “morph” styles, including Philipino arts
      into what Lee began to call “Jeet Kune Do” or JKD. JKD he (Lee) explained was thought of as “the way of
      interceptng fist”, he then said it was not a “style”, it was instead the result of a progressive extension of the
      artist themself. Having no style as a style, my Sifu studied under Sifu Innosanto. Good job on getting the word out Surfer!!!…

  2. Another opinion on the subject of self-defense…Some people do well within a school/dojo/training hall environment, while others do not. An excellent method for determining what style-method of training you want to learn is via video instruction. There are a number of video rental sites on the web that allow you to download streaming video, or rent DVD’s for private home viewing. A good online source is goldstarvideo.com. For a nominal fee you can watch any of hundreds of styles of martial arts on your computer or TV.

    Another good source is you tube. However, please remember that what you’re watching is pre-planned, or rehearsed. While you can easily judge between thousands of styles (individual methods of training) with a click of a mouse, please remember that a style or training method is nothing more than an individual’s opinion as to what works and what doesn’t.

    Keep in mind that it’s the man/woman that makes the style-the art work, not the other way around. A western boxer trains for at least a year before stepping into the ring. Meaning, that hundreds of miles of roadwork, exercising, conditioning, even getting hit hundreds of times are all necessary before the beginning of the first round.

    Before you begin your training regimen, ask yourself, “is this what I really want?” Choose wisely. Choose carefully. You can easily spend thousands of dollar$ on lessons, and suddenly find out that what you’re learning has little or no self-defense value.

    A few years ago, an american martial artist went to China to train at the famous shaolin temple. One mornng he arose early to find one of the monks going through several western boxing drills. When asked why he was studying western boxing, the monk replied that, “it was the simplest, most practical method of self-defense he had ever seen!”

    Remember, it’s the man/woman that makes the art work…

  3. On another note; avoid schools that teach “tournament” styles. I’ve heard Wing Chun is a good art and so is Kenpo, which was used by the Samurai. But, it all depends on the instructor. Many styles have been watered down. You really have to do a lot of research. Avoid schools that want you to sign contracts for long periods like Take Your Dough (Taekwondo). Boxing is good, but if you come up against a good boxer, you may loose unless you can do what he doesn’t, like kicking or grappling. You need a well rounded art that covers all types of fighting, so you can do what your opponent doesn’t do.
    One thing to remember, if you’re not willing to do what is necessary to stop an opponent, which may mean killing, don’t waste your time, money and effort training.
    Hope this helps.

  4. Take a look at Israeli born “Krav Maga”… it adopts simple easy to employ techniques from a variety of schools…

    • I have studied Krav Maga for two years now, it is truly the best in my opinion. All about the real world defence!
      Not only fist but disarming your opponent and knife fighting. No rules, just whatever gets the job done. No complicated routines or moves, just practice the simplest, logic and effective moves as much as you can and you will be unbeatable in hand to hand combat.
      I must ad that bodyguards of the rich and famous of the world all study this martial art for a good reason! It is not a sport, no belts, no cultural history, just all the combat skills combined into one deadly craft.

      PS. I am no strong big man, actually the opposite, but I managed to defend my self from muggers on numerous occasions. Krav Maga gave me the skill and confidence to prevail against two, three opponents even when armed with knives.

  5. I have no self defense skills whatsoever. I am 51 years old, and I have had a stent placed in my heart about 5years ago… do you have any recommendations as to the path I should take.

    • knowbodiezphool

      Krav Maga is probably going to be your best bet. There is a “Hard Format” taught to members of the IDF, but
      there is also a “softer format” taught to Isreali citizens, including school children and “elders”. Krav Maga uses
      reactive responses, and takes relatively time to become quite efficient and effective at. Just search out your
      school carefully, and inform your prospective instructor of your medical “situation”. It’s an awesome system,
      and is one I intend to augment with my “discipline”. I sincerely pray that I have helped in your “search”.

    • Just look in to “CANE FU”! Google it for more information… I will leave you with a idea would you rather hammer a nail a board with your hand or a hammer. This hammer you can carry anywhere even on aircraft, restaurants, etc… Being older this is literally a equalizer, leverage VS brawn. It is based on the idea of sword fighting vs unarmed combat.

      P.S. I am a arm chair advocate for this option but do not practice this style of martial art.

  6. Kajukenbo. Good solid self defense, street based not tournament fighting.

  7. In looking at self defense/martial arts you have to examine what your needs are. There are indeed hundreds of styles out there and with them is the culture of the particular style/system with it. When the martial arts first came to the shores of America through returning servicemen it basically was either WW2 hand to hand combat or Japanese Kara te. There were no Mc dojos or Ninja turtles. You earned your knowledge through sweat and blood, bruises, split lip, black eyes, etc. It developed strong spirit, endurance, and the knowledge of combat. The men from the 1950s and 1960s were a force to be reckoned with. I say all this because training in the art and method is not what makes the man but the man makes the method. Choose a method that best fits your personality and age. It should consist of strikes with the hands and feet, throwing, locking, choking, and ground fighting. Just know it will take work and sweat. There is no easy way around it. There are no quick “tricks” or fixes.

    As far as anyone with any type of health conditions, depending on what your doctor says you can do physically, you will need check that out with his permission first. I would advise you to ask a good self defense instructor what he can teach you. Any participation in a physical method can be strenuous.

  8. Yes wing chin and also my jhong law horn kung fu are most excellent forms of self defense. Remember the superior minded man doesn’t have to fight, but if it is necessary move in and towards your target using his aggression against him. I would recommend Sifu ( instructor) Andrew Chung in Hollywood Fla.

  9. Sorry about improper spelling above its wing chin. It takes a Sharp eyed wife who has Black belt in spelling to set me straight. Have nice day!

  10. Dam, its Wing Chun……whew!

  11. Wado-ryu karate literally transates to empty-hand technique, this feels very natural to me. Theres not any flashy moves or complicated jumping and spinning (dont get me wrong there are some higher level moves in higher level katas that look flashy but have a specific intent and purpose). In this style there is proper, perfect execution of moves, this particular style is about ending a conflict, if it should happen, quickly and effectively. it is very similar to shotokan but the stance is slighty higher, sacrificing some minor power for speed, and when the moves are perfectly executed they are (i know this sounds cliché) lightning fast. This is not a commercial school, theres not an expensive fee for joining, or ‘belt testing’, the only fees the students pay are pooled together to pay for the rent and utilites of the place we train.

    What im getting at is do not go to a commercial school that aims at getting you to a black belt as soon as possible. A true martial art takes time to learn and master and requires patience, dedication and will. Make sure the martial art you choose to study feels right to you above all else. There is no fast lane to success. You will suffer as will your wallet.

    • Well I’m not an expert. I’ve only been studying since being in the Marines in 1962. I have “rank” in Hakkoryu and Kuniba Kai Goshin jujitsu; shotokan, shitoryu, kosho shorin, and isshinryu karate, am a certified instructor in Close Quarters Combat. I have some training in 4 other CQB schools, also some Taekwondo, Wing Chun, WaLum Kunfu, Philipino arts, western boxing, etc. But, remember anytime someone tells you that they are teaching a “martial art” they are teaching an “art” maybe based on a martial tradition. An art whether it is martial, music, painting, whatever requires a lot of training as well as natural talent.

      One definitely needs formal basic training of some type, but it still boils down to the person. Are you willing to stick your finger into someone’s eye? Are you able to stick someone’s trachea or the carotid complex in the neck? Can you live with yourself if you end up killing a bad guy? Sure. Most of us if pressed to that extreme will do what needs to be done. Just as most of us will shoot to kill if necessary. Attitude, attitude, attitude!

      That said. Learning some martial skills should be high on the list of survival skills. Just remember that “arts” are efforts to attain perfection by years of study and practice. Self protection is messy, unrehearsed, and chaotic. Remember the military adage that the “Battle plan goes out the window when the first bullet is fired.”

      For us older folk, thigh or hip kicks are high kicks. Head kicks are for show unless you are 25 with 10 or more years of study. Women and oldsters need to step in and destroy whatever is available as quickly and nastily as possible. That’s all folks. Just as EMT skills are valuable if you have the time, but you don’t necessary be an MD. So shooting skills should be adequate and appropriate as should your hand2hand, hand2stick, hand2blade, and hand2gun skills. Definite learn at least some basics that work for you.

  12. And along with that its not about earning a black belt when someone just wants the ability to handle himself but does not have years to do so. Traditional martial arts training takes many years to master the style presented. Learning self defense is totally different than that. Hand to hand combat is something that has been used successfully by the military. Learning a few things gives a person what they need immediately instead of having to follow a system. If someone wishes to learn a martial art then they can do so too. It all has to do with what a person is needing. Basic defense can be learned in a few months instead of years. Along with that would be continuous training of those basics to keep them sharp. Too many people tend to get misled in either tradition or modern training.

    • knowbodiezphool

      Well Ronan, Krav Maga was developed by a gentleman named Imi Sde-Or (Lichtenfield). Mr. Lichtenfield grew up as a “partisan” or resistance fighter in Czechoslovakia while it was under Nazi occupation. He
      began to teach it to IDF “operators” in a nation surrounded from “without” and “within” by hostile entities. The “response based” system works because it must be easy to learn, easy to apply. It is basically a “Threat Neutralization” style or system. From the beginning, students are quickly trained in multiple assailants, and armed assailants. It is quite a frigg’n thing.

  13. Amen Ronan!

  14. Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do, or Wing Chun.

  15. Forgive me for being dogmatic here. I am a newcomer to this website and am glad I was able to find it. I have studied martial arts since I was 13 years old. I began with Kenpo, moved on to Tae Kwon Do, then to Isshin Ryu and back to Kenpo again. In all that time I noticed that even though we would practice techniques, when the sparring gear came on the techniques stopped and everyone was Muhammad Ali. While there are valid points to each of the arts I studied they were incomplete. Since January of this year I have been training in Jeet Kune Do Concepts and for the first time I have something that is usable. Bruce Lee was a genius. What I learn on my training days, I can go out an use on that same day. Everything is laid out in a progressive form that can be implimented almost immediately. If you are looking for something that actually works I would recommend finding a Jeet Kune Do instructor and begin learning something that will save your life. But make sure your instructor is a real, certified instructor under Dan Inosanto, Paul Vunak or Tom Cruse: you can check the said instructor’s credentials under the PFS website…if he’s not there, he’s lying. There are many people who claim to teach JKD but are lying. Don’t be fooled. Your life may depend on it!

  16. michaell
    would you suggest Jeet Kune Do for a woman to take in place of or in conjuction with a self denfense class? do you have any websites ?

    • Dear Jozie:

      Yes I would. In fact I would recommend that you abandon any other self defense class if you can find a certified Jeet Kune Do instructor in your area. You can do a google search to see if there are any JKD schools in your area. I would recommend contacting Paul Vunak at http://www.fighting.net/ to find an instructor. Remember that there are many ‘so-called’ instructors who are more than willing to take you for a ride. You want the real thing. A real JKD instructor will teach you the R.A.T. or Rapid Assault Tactics format…what Paul Vunak teaches the Navy Seals. I hope this helps.

  17. It is discouraging to see that no one has mentioned muay-thai. This is the most complete stand up self-defense there is. The only other MA worth a dang is Krav-Maga. If you have study anything else, you have been duped and scammed, especially TKD. But the best IMO is Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I am a blue belt in BJJ and have taking some form of karate(do remember the style, doesnt matter, its all the same) and some “street” muay thai. BJJ practioners have been challenged by every form of MA there is and have done nothing but make the BJJ’er break a tiy sweat. If you are a women, or a smaller male, BJJ is what you need. It was designed specifically for a smaller person to defend themselves against a much larger attacker. Im 6’1″ 245, there is no one, that weighs 150 defending themselves against a larger attacker with any of the forms mentioned above, except maybe Krav-maga, since the train a”dirty boxing” techniques and multiple attackers. Every other MA is based on distance and being able to strike or kick someone. How in the hell are you going to strike or kick someone when the grab you from behind, or bum-rush you and bear hugs you. You arent. Its impossible. With BJJ, when you are on the ground, regardless of top or bottom, you are a threat. Its the only MA that is constantly evolving. In 3-4 years, you learn almost everything with every other MA. With my size I have been routinely handed my butt to me by much smaller people. WAng chun, TKD, all forms of karate, and almost every other MA is useless. The best thing you can learn from them is business and marketing. Boxing, Muay thai, or Krav Maga with BJJ is all you need. Your better off getting some Tai-bo videos and at least getting in shape and saving tons of money.

    • Hi ctacktx:

      You are right on the mark with your assessment of Muay Thai and BJJ: Krav Maga…not so much. But applying your Thai skills with BJJ makes you a cut above most martial artists. Include Kina Mutai (eye gouging, biting and digit breaking to your BJJ and you will be that much better. Mix in some Kali/ Panantukan to your Muay Thai and the combativeness is escalated even higher. This is where JKD comes in. Dan Inosanto brought in Chai SIrasute to teach Thai Boxing and Paul Vunak brought the Gracies into the mix and now you have the ultimate in street protection. Thank you for your insight.

  18. I think of JKD as more of a philosophy than a fighting style. Bruce Lee said to take what is useful and discard the rest, also simply to simplify. This is because everybody had a different body style and diferent abilities.

    So I personally take the strikes from Wing Chun and Muay Thai, throws from Judo, and chokes from BJJ. But only the chokes as I think it is foolish to tie yourself up in a grappling match. (Yeah, all these together are basically Krav Maga). The aim in any confrontation is to neutralize your attacker as quickly as possible in order to escape.

    Then if you look at the rules of UFC as to what is NOT ALLOWED, these need to be implemented in a worst case scenario: biting, eye gouging, throat strikes and claws, groin strikes, knee strikes, etc. Check this page out: http://www.attackproof.com/no-rules.html

    STRIKE FIRST, STRIKE FAST, STRIKE HARD

  19. bulletproof_vigilante

    Well let me start by saying ANY fighting system knowledge obtained is better then none!!! If you want to be picky or wonder what would be most useful in “end times” scenarios, or marshall law scenarios, or even muggers and looters, then thats a different thing. I personally have 8 years in BJJ and submission wrestling, competitivly, also 7-8 years in kick boxing (american, internation, and muay thai, some military MT). I have competed in parcration competition and mma as well. I have boxed for about 5-6 years, and been recently learning a little more self defense style stuff from my wife… she is a black belt in kenpo, level 3 in krav maga, and has had some years in kickboxing and boxing as well. I am also a conditioning expert by trade for athletes and fighters in general, so i have got a lot of really good fighters in shape both men and women for championship fights (physicaly, as in personal training, not the actual combat training of guys) and have had the opportunity to train with guys who are world champion kick boxers (i trained with dave marinoble for a while a 3x world champion and holder of 6 black belts none under 5th degree and one at 9th) i have also trained with a light weight IFC champ mike bravo, ect. I have seen many good fighters in front of me and over my time these would be the arts and skills i would want MY family and loved ones to know if they had to protect their life from someone! Though having a well rounded vast look at many arts always “hones” you in to your best personal collective style!

    1. Krav Maga
    -This is going to be a very easy simple system to learn that has many groin, throat, and weak point strikes, making any weaker person able to defeat someone multiple times larger. This is a good system to learn if this is going to be the ONLY thing you learn that you can fit in the budget. They will teach you how to fight with all limbs, and on the ground, disarm weapons, multiple opponents, very useful in a life or death situation. You will also not get ANY OTHER TRAINING OUT THERE that will prepare you to deal with an opponent who is very aggressive like krav will prepare you!! **ALSO AMAZING ART FOR WOMEN TO LEARN!!

    2. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
    -This would be the second thing i would want a loved one to understand if they where to defend themselves. Since the logic behind it is that majority of fights end up on the ground (i.e. sloppy technique, squable, sucker punch and tackle, ect.) its good to know how to not get hurt while on the ground, also if you had to deal with a “officer” type who wanted to give you problems and knew like light arm holds and stuff, the BJJ would give you ample knowledge to escape such holds and reverse them. You will learn joint locks and breaks, chokes, and as a result would also learn to esape all these things as well. Plus you get PLENTY of spar time in class, its almost all it is, which gets you VERY comfy and at home on the ground and in a squable.

    Those would be my personal TOP 2 self defense arts to know to be safe in ANY situation. I’d even recomend one person (if you where married or had a child learning a art as well) that each of you learn one art and teach each other at home what you learned individually in class. This saves you money and helps everyone interact and get comfortable being in combat situations with each other, since you will be living together fighting together if it ever got that bad, its good to know whos got your back, and be playful but serious about it, have fun to not be tooo tense but dont have so much fun it is unrealistic.

    If you wanted to know more as in weapons, and attacking with them, not defending from them, escrima is going to be a amazing art to learn to wield just a stick like a deadly weapon, and learning a to fight with a knife with something like “arnis” would be very useful in a real situation or a street or combat situation!!

    As for other styles like boxing i saw, muay thai even, also some forms of kung fu mentioned, this is what i will say about those…

    Now know that any form of combat learned is going to be better then none, if you are a “tough guy” on the streets, you will be tougher with a fighting background, period. No contest. Now boxing and muay thai are great arts, boxing will teach you movement and how to protect your head well, also give you some of the most technical hands out there… BUT it has rules and its lacking in valuable tools you could use to defeat a larger opponent much faster, or even multiple opponents where time is precious, where hits have to count! Muay thai is a GREAT art for fighting with honor, but when the other guy says forget honor and groin kicks you in your square stance or head butts you or takes advantage of the idea that “rules” dont exist, you may be in trouble with things you are not used to seeing, and in a fight where 1 hit can mean the end or the change of winds, you dont want to gamble more then you have to. If you can get ahold of a teacher who will belt you in MILITARY MUAY THAI that isnt bound by the ring rules (where the ring sport actually came from) then that will be a more useful system with dangerous elbow and knee strikes BUT that will be a hard thing to find, the ring style will leave you knowing a SPORT fighting style you want a COMBAT system to do serious damage if you choose to, or HAVE to. The kung fu’s are all good arts as well, but they are very elegant and are hard to master since they are so dance like, and so balance oriented, i just wouldnt expect to be a very good fighter till you had a very VERY solid grasp of the art. Then even then i seen BJJ guys in many fights take down kung fu people much more expierenced and then beat them on the ground. So unless you can get into a sholin temple and you have a good 5-8 years to get REALLY crafty, then you are sort of just doing it for the art, not the usefulness.

    So all in all i dont want other practitioners out there to be offended about the kung fu comments or boxing or muay thai and kickboxing, but if it was a life or death situation and i had to have my family use it to defend themselves…. Krav and BJJ would be it man to man, escrima and arnis for common usable weapons. Period. All who study for a long enough time also know (especially if you read any of Bruce Lee’s stuff) that there are really just a bunch of moves out there, fighting good is about being able to put them together in a clever/efficient way. Learn as much as you can, be clever and dont keep your mind in a “box” or it cant grow. Then drill, drill, drill, practice, practice, practice! Fighting is just 1 art, we have only one kind of body (2 upper limbs, 2 lower, stand upright, have a head and torso) the seperation of arts is from some thinking certain movements and strategies are better then others, when a wide array of fighting knowledge makes you a sharp human weapon ready for anything!

    Hope that helped :D

  20. Bulletproof,

    Excellent insight, obviously from alot of experience. But I would have to disagree on one, maybe two points. You said “The kung fu’s are all good arts as well, but they are very elegant and are hard to master since they are so dance like, and so balance oriented, i just wouldnt expect to be a very good fighter till you had a very VERY solid grasp of the art”. Kung Fu is a very wide label given to all the forms coming from China and they can be very different from each other. My disagreement is that specifically Wing Chun Kung Fu was developed and mastered by a woman over a very short period of time. It isn’t really all that elegant and is a very simple and basic (and effective) discipline. It is also one of the few styles that doesn’t have competition in mind. It focuses on street confrontations, especially with the possibility of multiple attackers, in and out.

    Which is where my second disagreement would come in. I fell in love with Gracie Jiu Jitsu in the mid 90′s when I saw Royce destroy anyone set before him in the Octagon. I was convinced that BJJ was the best style around; until I realized that within its own limitations as a style it doesn’t help you when it comes to multiple attackers. By nature BJJ will have you go to the ground, and that is where it is most effective. But if there are more than one attacker, you are inviting the guy’s friends to kick your head in while you’re tied up. I agree that in a controlled situation BJJ is almost unbeatable. But from my observation and experience it seems that it might be lacking within the limits of itself as a style.

    Krav Maga on the other hand was developed with all of this in mind. It is true survival self defense, effectively neutralizing your opponent as quickly as possible in order to escape.

    Just my two cents, for what it’s worth. Do you personally have a solution to the multiple attacker scenario and BJJ? If so, I am interested.

    • bulletproof_vigilante

      as far as kung fu, yes it can come in many variations, some more art like then others, and like i said anything is better then nothing, if all you had was a kung fu place around, it would be better then knowing nothing., there are super tough kung fu guys out there. If you could be picky though, krav would be a good idea, since like you said it encompasses a lot. But again no offense to any of the kung fu’s w.c. is a great technical close quarters system, and i am super novice on the w.c. dummy but the 2-3 combos i know on it are really fun and technical to work!

      As far as BJJ goes in a multi-person fight, its really not going to happen. Your best case scenario for falling down by accident in a fight with multiple people, is that you understand BJJ enough to know all the ways back to your feet as fast as you can, that way you can apply your throat/groin/eye/jaw/ect shots and get the odds more evened out. But staying on the ground having a complicated BJJ match with punches and biting or whatever, is not going to help when his friends catch up at all. So you are right on that. BUT i would say like i previously stated i think it would be a good secondary system to pick up after a good self defense like krav to expand on your ground knowledge since odds say you will end up on the ground more often then not. So Krav i think would still be a good self defense to learn first just for serious scary situations (though all martial arts are made to hurt people, so its all good) then BJJ a good fallow up to expand in hand to hand combat as you can transition a lot of krav skills over to the bjj. Also a good knife fighting and stick fighting style will help you expand your self defense too if you chose, something like escrima (for sticks) and arnis (for knifes) would be very sufficent. (escrima can translate into a stick off the ground, baton, bat, rolled up magazine, ect)

      Then again if you took the krav af far as you could you could do this…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmBPFPTq-g&feature=related
      and that guy is a freaking machine LOL!

      Best wishes guys!

  21. WOW… Not much else to say about that video as I watched with bulging eyes. And thanks again for the insight and for clarifying.

  22. I think another few important point to consider in the choice to train martial arts…

    A big reason why there are so many disciplines of martial arts is because not everyone subscribes to the same defense methods, or the same training ideas. To train daily, it must be something you are invested in emotionally, and something you *enjoy* practicing. People jump around from art to art often because they haven’t found a *flavor* they enjoy. To invest a few hours a day (or even just a few hours a week) in a practice requires your heart to be invested.

    So no matter the art you choose, be sure it is one you enjoy. No matter where you start, you will get a better sense of self-awareness, body mechanics, footwork, and putting your weight behind your strike. So, first and foremost, I suggest people looking to take up an art find one they can be excited to go to class over.

    My second point….
    Keep in mind the variety of skills you may take from your martial art. Some people look for pure application and combativeness. But other students of the arts want athleticism, agility, increased balance, increased health, healthy joints, building a strong core, meditation, alternative medicine, and spiritual/emotional pursuits.

    Many styles are built for different lifestyles, and different concepts of how to defend yourself. You may choose an art that is based in following the opponent’s energy to reduce damage you take, or an art that builds your strength and toughens your body’s resistance. Long-term health is also a consideration when choosing an art that may be hard on the body. And people with disabilities may have different options than those who are of peak physical condition.

    There is such a wide variety of arts out there, that no matter your goals, a martial arts instructor doesn’t just have to be a “self-defense teacher” but can be a guide for many skills that are grossly overlooked due to the ease of everyday western living.

    ~Michael A.

    • i’m pretty sure you’re talikng about bruce lee, not jkd. not everyone who practices jkd is lighting fast’ and has no wasted motions.’ jkd is whatever you make of it. it’s no better or worse than akido, jujitsu, tang soo do, it’s just different (and traditionally more flexible with incorporating foreign concepts). styles aren’t better or worst than each other, but practitioners are.

  23. I teach a World War 2 fighting system taught to me from the late Charles Nelson a world War 2 Combatives master. It is simple to do and we train in our street clothing. No bowing, no bath robes, no bs. My website is http://www.cnsds.com if anyone out there wants to really learn how to defense themselves. I have students who come from around the world to learn what I teach. In your first hour you learn techniques that will save your life. I am sure many of you out there think you know what to do when attacked by a knife gun or improvised weapon but even if you trained in a traditional art most if not all of the self-defense is nothing more than suicide techniques that will get you killed in a street fight. Feel free to check out my site and e-mail me if you are interested in real unarmed self-defense based on Mongolian Wrestling and dirty fighting.

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