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JBS–Crackpots or Prophets? Revolutionaries or Patriots? with John McManus – Episode 133

Most of us have heard of the John Birch Society. Over the years, the publicity surrounding the Society has been a mixture of negative and positive attributes. They’ve been admired and ridiculed, they’ve been held in high esteem and with extreme distaste.

Is this perception justified? Who are the members of the John Birch Society? What is their purpose and what are their goals? Are they an anachronistic group with no place in the 21st century…

… or have they been perceptive foretellers of the direction of our nation from the beginning?

Please join Bill Heid on today’s Off the Grid Radio with his guest John McManus, the president of the John Birch Society, as they discuss the humble beginnings of the Society, the misconceptions surrounding JBS, their stated goals, and how America is following ancient Rome’s lead from republic to tyranny.

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In this episode:

  • The American missionary for whom the Society is named
  • Is the American citizenry moving right while the government moves left?
  • Why the Founders feared a democracy
  • Was McCarthy vindicated with the release of declassified Soviet documents?
  • And more…
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16 comments

  1. The country is becoming socialist under Obama. Now that he won the election for another 4 years what can the average american do to help our country. I am retired and live with my Filopina wife in the Philippines. I am an active Rotarian here in Tuguegarao. I am a US veteran and retired with Dupont after 45 years of employment. We need another Ronald Reagan for President..

    • The fact is we began our socialistic journey in the 1850′s with public education. For more info on this go to http://www.mercyseat.net to look for a sermon entitled “Education: The State vs Parents”. It can be downloaded in MP3 format.

      • We need the Tea Party to replace the Republican Party for the 2014 and 2016 Elections. Then we will have a chance to defeat the Democrats. Read or listen to: Adams vs Jefferson where the Federalist were replaced by the Republicans in the 1800 Elections. NOW 213 YEARS LATER THE TEA PARTY WILL REPLACE THE REPUBLICANS AS THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE or we will live under SLAVERY, by the Liberal, Greedy,Democrats. WE THE PEOPLE, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

      • Just read your comments about the socialism of public education way back to the 1850s. You are right on target and wish we could get more people to realize that fact.

        I have several articles on public education posted on http://revisedhistory.wordpress.com which you might enjoy reading. Of particular interest is one I did back in November of 2011 entitled “Kindergarten’s Socialist Origins.

  2. Please have more programs like this. Americans need to understand the depth of the problems we face. The John Birch Society has been an important light on the truth of the development of history.

    • Contrary to what you wrote, the Birch Society has attacked and defamed virtually all of our national leaders and government officials — Republican and Democrat — for more than 50 years.

      What I have discovered from debating individuals who post messages like Kingsley’s – is that they have utterly no historical knowledge about the underlying premises which inform Birch Society ideology.

      For example:

      (1) how many contemporary Americans believe that our civil rights movement was controlled by Communists and “served only Communist purposes” ?

      (2) how many contemporary Americans believe that the Ku Klux Klan was run by Communists?

      (3) how many contemporary Americans believe that (as JBS founder, Robert Welch, told the JBS National Council in January 1960, that):

      “In the Senate, there are men like Stephen Young of Ohio, and Wayne Morse of Oregon, McNamara of Michigan, and Clifford Case of New Jersey and Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota and Estes Kefauver of Tennessee and John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts, whom it is utter folly to think of as just liberals. Every one of those men is either an actual Communist or so completely a Communist sympathizer or agent that it makes no practical difference…”

      The JBS has injected poison into the American political discussion for over 5 decades. The Birch Society and its surrogates have been the subject of many libel lawsuits. When the JBS and its surrogates have had the opportunity to prove the accuracy of their accusations in a courtroom environment — they have failed. The most famous example being the historic precedent-setting libel lawsuit brought by Chicago lawyer Elmer Gertz whom the JBS described in an article published in its monthly magazine as “a Communist fronter” and a “Leninist” engaged in a “conspiracy” against Chicago police.

      After 14 years of litigation, including 2 different jury trials, numerous appeals, and review by the U.S. Supreme Court, the JBS paid Gertz $100,000 in compensatory damages and $300,000 in punitive damages for malice. As you may know, punitive damages are only allowed when “malice” can be shown. Malice, in legalese, refers to “reckless disregard for truth” arising from evil intent and a desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering.

      SO: one has to perform due diligence and carefully examine basis for JBS arguments and conclusions.

  3. I ENJOYED THE INTERVIEW WITH BILL HEID. OUR COUNTRY IS IN DEEP TROUBLE. OUR REPRESENTATIVES ONLY CARE ABOUT BEING REELECTED AND POWER. I JOINED THE US AIR FORCE IN 1956 AND SPENT 23 YEARS. I REMEMBER, THAT IF YOU JOINED THE JOINED THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY YOU WOULD BE INVESTIGATED AND MAYBE NOT GET A SECURITY CLEARANCE. THE AIR FORCE TAUGHT THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY WAS A SOCIALIST ORGANIZATION. I TOOK THEIR WORD FOR IT IN THOSE DAYS. THEY NEVER TAUGHT JOHN BIRCH WAS A WAR HERO. AND ONLY WANTED TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION. THANK YOU

  4. My experience with the John Birch Society was one of learning accurate history of our nation and the sacrifices of the men and women who brought us to the very apex of freedom unknown by any other people throughout history. American Opinion Magazine, written by a true intellectual elite was a thrilling to read and accurately informative. I could hardly wait each month for its arrival. I have kept all the copies rec’s throughout the 70′s and many from the 60′s. I know of no jot or tittle of error ever advanced by the Society or their publications.
    Then there was the tragedy of U.S. Representative, Dr. Lawrence P. McDonald who, along with 168 other innocent people was murdered by the Soviets over the Sea of Japan while flying to S. Korea to give a talk to commemorate the freedom from the communist North. It was a deliberate act by the Soviets to shoot the plane down over the Sea of Japan to minimize possibilities of finding debris connected with the crime. I have appreciated the John Birch Society greatly over the years.

    • FBI FILES ON BIRCH SOCIETY AND ITS ASSERTIONS:
      This 204-page report explains why J. Edgar Hoover and senior FBI officials within the Bureau’s Domestic Intelligence Division concluded in FBI memos that the JBS was “extremist”, “irrational” and “irresponsible”
      http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/jbs-1

      CONSERVATIVE CRITICS OF ROBERT WELCH and BIRCH SOCIETY:
      Contrary to claims made by the Birch Society about the alleged “left-wing” origins of JBS criticism, the most potent adverse comments about the JBS have always originated from the right-side of the political spectrum. This report presents a representative sample of such comments.
      http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/jbs-4

      Critics have included such prominent Americans as: Sen. Barry Goldwater, Cong. Walter Judd, Gen. Albert C. Wedemeyer, Russell Kirk, Eugene Lyons, Willmoore Kendall, James Burnham, Robert Bork, J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Philbrick, Frank S. Meyer, Cong. Gordon H. Scherer, William F. Buckley Jr., Patrick Buchanan, Fred Schwarz, Lee Edwards, the editors of the conservative newspaper, Human Events, George Sokolsky, Roy Cohn, Anthony Bouscaren, plus even many former Birchers such as: Alan Stang, Gary Allen, Milorad Draskovich, John Rees, William Norman Grigg, Mrs. Robert Welch — and many many more.

      DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY:
      This report presents documents which, generally, have never been previously publicly available — including private correspondence between Robert Welch and numerous individuals and correspondence by JBS National Council members during the formative years of the Birch Society. This report is a work-in-progress and considerable new material will be added over the next few months.

      JBS 9-1 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241/
      JBS 9-2 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241a/
      JBS 9-3 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241b/

  5. Oops, I do believe it was 268 others murdered on Flight 0007 instead of 168. Any way, Representative McDonald strongly believed in the JBS and served in the Lower House on the Armed services Committee and often stressed the dangers we would face from the Communists. His concerns proved prophetic. Our government is now full of them. But the prophecies were brutally attacked by a compliant, pro communist media. McDonald is gone, but the “compliant media” is still complying on the same track.

  6. This is another excellent interview. Just excellent!!!!! I listened to it twice. I have known some of this information due to my reading alternative books, years ago. Thanks for this timely interview on JBS. the speaker is correct, this country is not directing folks to the JBS, sadly. This is true, the way to take this country back is through the House of Representatives!!!!! This was a well-spent hour with you today!
    rural Arkansas

  7. Thank you again, and again for this interview!!!
    rural Arkansas

  8. In the 60′s (when I was in my early 20′s), I worked at Boeing in Wichita, Kansas. There were slews of Birchers who worked there. Lots of Birchers and Masons I remember. I joined the Birch Society not long after I started working there. We worked hard trying to get the truth out — showing films, bringing speakers to town, handing out printed material, and just having meetings that welcomed all truth seekers, whether they belonged to the Society or not. It was a good feeling to be a part of that organization, to know that we were on the side of truth, and that we were doing our best to spread it around. John Birch was a Missionary in China during WWII, and went to work for the OSS (Office of Strategic Services), as China began to fall to the Communists. Because he spoke the different Chinese dialects so fluently, he was used to get American operatives into the country and from place to place, or to get them out of the country if things were getting too hot for them. The Birchers always said that John Birch was the first casualty of the war with Communism. He is buried in China and his grave site is lovingly tended by natives who knew him or had heard many stories about him from their parents.

    Liberals and the liberal media have always smeared the Birch Society. That’s because, more than anyone else, liberals fear the truth.

  9. D. J. van Dalen, Ph.D.

    The first time I heard about the JBS was via a bill board in the Cleveland , Ohio area, in the late fifties, it said:
    “We do not need more rules and regulations,
    we need more responsible people.”
    I soon learned about the identity of Lieutenant J. Birch and about him being the first casualty
    of the “Third World War.”

  10. Most people are unaware that John Birch was in China in the forties and advised the Chinese Nationalists about what to expect if the Communists took over. He was executed by the communists. He also personally met and helped rescue Billy Mitchell from Japanese capture in China after his bombing raid on Tokyo.

  11. The John Birch Society remains among the most credible, honest, moral, patriotic, and civic minded
    American institution intact. The late Robert Welch: founder and past president of The John Birch
    Society personfied this Bible passage: “Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest
    in the sight of all men.” —– Romans 12:17. In additon to the JBS other reputable institutions include:
    JPFO, Inc. at http://www.jpfo.org, Gun Owners of America (www.gunowners.org), and the Constitution Party
    of Oregon (www.constituitonpartyoregon.net)
    . These collectively need to be embraced by honest, free
    thinking moral citizens and voters.

    Now for the dishonest: We as a nation today continue to pay for the political atrocites, deceit, sell out,
    corruption, graft, and legacy of deceit via our worse ever president in American history: Lyndon B.
    Johnson (LBJ), the corrupt Earl Warren Supreme Court, and their rotten socialist immoral ilk in
    Washington, D.C! Not to mention the anti-gun groups, homosexual groups, abortion groups, the
    ACLU, as well as a morally and intellectually dishonet news media!

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