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Shining Light In Darkness – Episode 025

logoWhat do we mean when we declare ourselves a Christian nation? Can Christians really engage in the physical world that surrounds us, or are we relegated to spiritual issues only? And after we’ve answered that question, how does that affect the way we involve ourselves in politics, in public discourse, in affecting the culture around us? How then are we to live?

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Join Bill Heid and Gary DeMar, president of American Vision, as they discuss these, and other issues, in today’s broadcast.

In this episode:

  • How a pre-millennialism or post-millennialism mindset may affect the way we interact with society at large
  • How analyzing the laws and educational system of a country shows what lies at the heart and core of that culture
  • How Christians have ceded authority over institutions they established, and the resultant cultural shift as a result
  • Why we should love the physical world we inhabit
  • How Christianity is not an either/or faith, but includes all realms of God’s creation
  • and more…
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  1. Having experienced the world and it’s accompanying evil, I began to understand I needed a satisfying answer that would cause me to endeavor until the end of my earthly occupation. The Holy Spirit helped me become cognizant of his being available for help and he directed me to began reading the Bible, which opened up a path for me to walk in. I wanted to know the truth and God furnished his Son Jesus the Christ, which I followed to increase my greater understanding of God, my Father and Creator. It’s taken me over fifty years to realize my voting served no purpose other than telling others I did vote. I’ve said the above to point others to the truth that Christ is, if they believe it. Whatever is done without Christ is of the flesh man and that’s what has brought us to where we are today. The next world will be of one belief only and the King and his rulers will not allow freedom of religion or other gods (Ex 20:3) Having known Him, I like his Way.

  2. There is only One God!

  3. Though my e-mail address is a does’nt sound like it I am a Christian , I am , and probably more so than many. I am well aware of the opinion of our founding fathers that the republic government they bequethed to us was and is unworkable without Christian values . I am also aware that the much touted separation of church does not exist except in the minds of a few morally challenged reprobates who care less than nothing for our great nation and want nothing more than to see it fail. If we lose this Christian heritage and move away from God they will get their hearts desire and gloat over our collapse . Stay with God and Jesus Christ and he will stay with us .

  4. I concur with Mr. Crosby , one must stand for the Lord’s gift to us or have nothing… Like as to a blank sheet of paper! We all can use a real personal friend I chose Jesus Christ as mine, how about you?

  5. The “Christian” in Western Civilization is not necessarily a “Bible-thumping” religious zealot. There is an ethic whiich can be identified as “Christian.” This concept is one where folks are judged by their actions, intentions and desires – all of them based upon a fair-minded attitude toward the other guy. If one were to condense the teachings of Jesus of Nazereth into an ethic, this would be what is considered as “Christian.” It differs from all other cultural attitudes, Jewish included, as it always gives the benefit of doubt – the “turn the other cheek” concept. It is trully unique.
    This attitude has an inherrant weakness in that it doesn’t defend itself well. In order for it to survive, it must realize that it must be defended against the more sly and beguiling cultural influences from the middle east and orient. The current invasion from Latin America is also taking advantage of this weakness.
    The United States was founded upon this ethic. Therefore, it is wrong to call ours a “Judeo-Christian” society. The basic tennants of Judaism and Christianity are quite dissimilar. It is my belief that Jesus, having been schooled by gnostics, was trying to “correct” the Jewish faith into one more in the manner of the old prophets, and away from the power and money of the Temple priests. (This is why he was arrested). He didn’t succeed, and we have today our two very different religions.
    The “separation” of church and state is nowhere to be found in the documents of the Founders. There is reference in letters, but it has been taken out of context; as it was only an issue when a State sanctioned church was being considered. These great men were “God fearing” men of good “Christian” conscience. For the experiment to work, it required a continuation of such ethical folk at the helm. Unfortunately, during the 19th century, many athiestic and agnostic philosophers came from Europe and left their mark. The birth of Zionism didn’t help matters, as it is not a religious, rather a political movement (hiding behind the implication of religion). It has brought about many influential and powerful institutions, which have slowly dragged us away from the ethic of the Founders. (The Zionist agenda must be studied, and countered).
    It is imperative that there be a demand from the public for a return to ethical principles. Unfortunately, the youth of today are being shielded from this concept by the relativist teachings of our “Deweyized” education system (John Dewey, the Communist educator who had so much influence upon our education system in the early 20th century). How do we awaken them?
    What a dilemma.

    • As far as how will this Word get out? There are different beliefs as to when the Rapture will occur. Either way, God will bring wrath down when the world is falling apart. A duel edged sword. “With this wrath will come awakening !!!”
      For this reason we must prepare both spiritually and materially for what is coming soon. Our testimonies and resourcefulness will be critical for this awakening.

    • billpits: The American Revolution is evidence enough to refute the “Always turns the other cheek” premise…
      billy: Practice not just humility, but TRAVEL!… Try Eastern Europe and please try not to find your way back…
      mississippigirl: Teach it sister!!!

  6. How do we awaken them? Easy. Homeschool like most of the founders were homeschooled

  7. How sad that you people really believe that the U.S.A. is a christian nation.
    No it is founded by Mason for masons.
    The Christian religion had nothing to do with the founding of this EVIL BEASTLY SYSTEM known as Amercia.
    Don’t be a fool as the Messiah said in Luke 24:25.
    You must believe all that the Hebrew prophets said not just what your pagan Christian religions tells you.

    B.D. 613

    • Perhaps you should practice a little of that humility that Yeshua spoke of….. and look to get the beam out of your own eye first.

  8. Very disappointed with the unbalanced Bill Heid interview of Gary DeMar. Gary pushes hard toward the Restoration, Kingdom Now, Dominion Theology, while demeaning those who have as their number one calling to preach the true Gospel. Please keep in mind it was Jesus’ number one mandate for his people to proclaim Gospel. The great commission was not only ignored in this dialog, it was made to look like an insignificant component of Christianity. Bill did imply the importance of “both” a couple of times, none the less the interview offered a very lopsided view of the true Christian mission.
    As Christians, we are to be in the world, but not of the world. We are to occupy until He comes, but we are never called to take over the secular world. DeMar changes the primary mission of the church to what it was never intended to be. Dave Hunt has never said American Christians should not have started hospitals, universities or made other contributions to society. He never suggests that all Christians should sell everything , get a motor home and simply travel around with the Gospel. It is sad that DeMar has to stoop to defaming the character of Dave Hunt, a true Christian statesman. The believer’s authority should come from the Bible which makes clear the highest calling for Christians: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15
    Many, including Mormons, Masons, Atheists, Communists, Satanists, the Antichrist and others think they can do better than God. They think they can even become as God and remake the world according to their own vision. Gen. 3:4&5 containing the biggest lie in history says this: “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods….” Please keep in mind who said it.
    Trying not to get too far off track, below you will find a part of a new tract I am working on in response to the Glenn Beck/Mitt Romney phenomenon:
    On June 8, 1873, speaking from the pulpit of the newly built Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, president Brigham Young, as quoted in the Desert News, June 18, 1873 said: “The Devil told the truth….I do not blame Mother Eve. I would not have had her miss eating the forbidden fruit for anything….”
    The foundation upon which the Mormon Church was built is indeed found in the Bible. The problem is, who laid its foundation? “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:4&5) The whole premise of Mormonism is based upon the serpent’s lie: “you shall be as gods”.
    When we, as Christians, place our primary emphasis on Dominionism with only a side issue being evangelism and discipleship we become out of balance with Biblical Christianity. “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” (Ps. 14:12)

    • If you, me, Joseph Smith, Glenn Beck, or millions of professing christians aren’t spreading the same gospel message taught by the Jewish Messiah of Israel hunself, then we merely pay lip service to Jesus. So ask yourself a few hard questions and examine who you are following. Consider the following facts from the Bible. Jesus was a Torah-observant Jewish rabbi and so was the Pharisee Paul who wrote most of the New Testament. The only scripture Jesus and authors of the New Testament accepted as true, studied, and taught was what we call the “Old” Testament (Hebrew TANAKH). They obeyed the Old Testament commandments including its dietary laws, they kept the Sabbath, observed the Feasts, and recited the Shema (the tenet of the Jewish faith) as the most important commandment of God. (Mark 12:28-35) Do you teach and observe the Torah like Jesus and Paul did? Do you know how to share the gospel of Christ using only the Old Testament? Do you uphold the 7th day Sabbath as Holy, following the commandment to do so. That is what all original believers did. 300 years after Christ, the pagan Roman Govt officiated over the orthodoxy of christianity. In the process the Roman councils outlawed Sabbath and Passover observance, adopted Sunday, the holy day of Mithra the sun god as christian day of worship, rechristined pagan festivals like Saturnlia as the Christ-mass and Ishtar as Easter, etc.. . All of the following were violations of God’s commandments outlined in the Torah – all things the real Christ never did nor will ever sanction (these violate Gods law). Jesua and Paul warned that the last days (the final 2000+ year time period following Messiah) would be marked by a great apostasy

      We must all ask ourselves – do we live and teach the relgion OF Jesus or are we following a man-made relgions ABOUT Jesus. If we are not following what Jesus followed (God’s commandments such as keeping His Sabbath day holy), then we are no better than those we criticize. Our world needs to repent (return to God’s ways) or all of the Old Testament prophecies that speak of the coming famines and wars will be upon this world very soon.

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