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Picking the Right Deer Rifle: Comparing .270 Models

Deer hunting is an important part of living off the grid. Unless you have a place to keep a steer and plenty of hay and grain to feed him, you’ve got to have a good source of healthy meat for your family.  Hunting deer and other game is the best way to keep your freezer full, and it is also a good way to keep the deer population healthy.

Let’s talk about that deer population for just a minute.  Who doesn’t love the beautiful sight of a doe and her fawns on a misty morning? And who can deny the magnificent power a big, handsome buck conveys? Deer are some of God’s finest creations.

Unfortunately, folks have forgotten the fact that deer are meant to be food for predators, and that has led to overpopulation and disease. Deer starve if they don’t have enough to eat, so do the species a favor and use them as the good Lord intended.  The best tasting deer are younger does and smaller bucks.

A big, handsome buck with a good looking rack is a nice trophy. However, if you can, avoid shooting the best-looking specimens unless you really have to. Here’s why: big bucks have proven themselves.  They are healthy breeders, and they help keep the population stable.  If you’re living off the grid, you want a healthy deer population to pick from, and shooting the best bucks in the area is a dumb idea.  Shoot a “spike” or “forkie,” and let grandpa enjoy his retirement.

Now that we’ve discussed some of the philosophy of deer hunting, let’s get down to brass cartridges.  Here are just a few good .270 rifles, perfect for carrying longer distances and sized right for even smaller hunters. Let’s go get some deer.

Browning BAR Mark II Lightweight Stalker

Browning’s BAR Mark II Lightweight Stalker is a dependable deer rifle with some solid technology behind it. First, it’s a good choice for smaller folks. Once your kids are old enough to shoot, they will enjoy the light recoil as well as the proven accuracy this Browning provides.  This is a short- to medium-range semi-automatic rifle with a gas-operated autoloader, so you’re going to spend a bit more on it than you would a more basic gun.  You can find a new Browning BAR Mark II Lightweight Stalker for just under $1,200.00

Kimber Classic 84L

The Kimber Classic 84L is a bolt-action deer rifle that weighs a little more than six pounds.  Most deer rifles weigh closer to eight pounds, so if you plan to spend the day trekking through the woods in search of a deer or two, you’ll definitely appreciate the 25% weight reduction.  This nice little deer rifle has classic good looks – it has a walnut stock and a twenty-four-inch match grade barrel.  It is also equipped with a three position wing safety.  It holds five rounds, which makes it a good choice for younger or less experienced hunters who might need an extra shot or two to bring down their deer.  Last, but definitely not least, it has a light recoil, thanks to the 1 inch Pachmayr decelerator pad.

Priced at just under $1,200.00 brand new, the Kimber Classic 84L is just as much of an investment as the Browning Lightweight Stalker.  Deciding between the two styles is tough, but for my money, I’ll go for the Kimber for off-the-grid living, since it is a bolt-action rifle instead of a gas-operated autoloader.  While I wouldn’t expect the Browning autoloader to fail, I would rather play it safe and go for a high quality deer rifle I can easily maintain myself with simple tools and a little know how.

While these are just two examples of brand new deer rifles in the .270 range, there are a lot of great deer rifles out there.  So do your homework and, if you decide to buy a used rifle to save a bit of money, be sure to inspect it carefully before you hand over the cash.  If you are not familiar with guns, bring someone who has more knowledge than you when you shop to avoid making a poor decision.  While you will pay more for a high-quality rifle, it is a good idea to get the best you can afford.  You’ll be able to hunt with it for life and pass it on to the next generation.

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  1. If you are going to only have one rifle. I would suggest any of the 30-06 caliber products. For a great price you can get a savage model 110 that will last more than a lifetime. This is a keeper and no it doesn’t keep its value like a Kimber, but it is about 1/3 of the cost. My son and I have used Savage models for 30 years and they keep going. Secondly, any lever action in 30-30 will also work for deer, hogs (plenty of those around wild) and just about any north american game. Also, I mention the 7.62 by 39 mm, as a good starter weapon that will kill deer for youth and women. Good round and does not have much recoil. Ruger makes a good 7.62 by 39 that will go the ocurse.

  2. I would have to agree with what Michael has to say about the Savage 110 model rifles. I have one in .270 and one in 7mm and they are two of the most accurate rifles I have handled and you can typically pick them up for $350 to $500

  3. While this is just fine for many folks, I, and my family, prefer the muzzleloader, or more specifically, a flintlock. I have several of them, caplocks aswell, and they are far superior to any “modern” firearm. First, marksmanship is THE very key to hunting with any firearm, is hitting the range frequently and is a must, if you want to have survival skills. Paying out the a#*# is worthless, if you can’t hit your target with the damned thing. My main rifle is a custom-built ( by me, I’m a gun smith ) in .50 caliber. I can take any game from sqittels, to deer, hogs, bear , elk, or moose with it.
    My point? What happens when your cartridges are gone, or no longer available, due to government regulation, hmmm? You can still get lead, at least for now, powder is easily obtsainable, and stores nearly indefinitly. Flints can be picked up off the ground and shaped for the gun. I’ve done this a lot.
    Yes, they do take extra work to learn, but so does ANY survival skill, so what’s the big deal, here? My rifle can, and has, killed deer at just over 100 yards, but here in the woods of Arkansas, 25 yards is much more normal.
    Folks, take the time to learn to hunt-well, and look into the best all around choice for survival hunting, the muzzleloader.

    • Mr. Lynch, Have you ever considered giving classes? How about a Camp where we could all learn those skills?
      I would pay good money for my sons and granddaughters learn. Aloha, Tutu

    • Mr. Lynch, you have a valid point on a political motivated collapse such as you describe. Even black powder fire arms will be identified. On a positive note, taking your lead, most would agree that if such a political/collapse were to even remotely take place, a better technology would be the bow and arrow as it is much quieter and the resources to support that system is more available. Crossbows are also preferred over the loud boom of the smoke pole in a survival situation.

  4. Of course Kimber & Browning make excellent rifles,as do many other brands ,and many different calibers, and types of actions,from single shot to semi auto,all quite capable of taking down a deer. And of course, the benefits of the old percussion types are true,I even know of one fellow who made his own percussion guns from scratch,the way a blacksmith would 200 years ago,including black powder and ball for use in them.However in my opinion,if one were to want just one gun for survival situations, the 12 gauge shotgun is the choice. Between the rifled slug and sabot ammo for deer and anything else large you might encounter,to the various sizes of shot,from 00 buck to #6, you can harvest a lot of game,duck,geese,squirrel,etc. The sound alone of a pump shot gun being cycled has also been proven to be a deterrent,and is a great self defense implement, if that situation should arise. And, a .22 rifle would be a great addition for the same versatility reasons in game gathering. But , I digress,I guess you were talking about just on gun
    Ammo for both of these type firearms is plentiful and relatively cheap, especially compared to the .270 you selected.

  5. The .270 is a great cartridge, but to mention only 2 relatively expensive rifles is missing the mark. What about the Ruger 77 or the Remington 700. You can actually buy a Remington 700 ADL at Wal-Mart for around $400, and it even comes with a scope!

    As for me, I’m biased, at least in part because I make my living building custom rifles that hover in the $2500+ range depending upon what you want. But caliber wise I do have to agree with Michael to some extent. The .270 is great for white tails and mule deer, but if you live in the west and have elk it’s a bit under powered and if you’re in moose country then you’d better be looking for more gun or you’re just plain being irresponsible. The .30-06 is an almost ancient cartridge, but it can be loaded for just about anything. I even have a friend that took a Kodiak bear with one using a 200 gr. bullet. It’s the best all around rifle, but if you’re not going up against anything bigger than a mule deer then the .270 is a fine choice and recoil is neglible.

    • Hello Paradude54 and all, while where on the page of .270, 30.06,7mm rem mag, I will make this as short as possible, I own these three chambered rifles among many that are just as good wonderful and have shot them for years and am happy with all of them, everyone is going to pick and choose what cal fits them for two reasons, ether there buddy recommended a cannon, or a sage rat gun to use for whatever animal they have decided to hunt with. The day we live in inst the Cal. its the ammunition and the will of the individual to familiarize themselves with that specific caliber, I use one and only one of the the calibers stated above because I’m comfortable with the ammo I reload and the rifle, that being said anyone can have a trophy bull elk walk off after a few bullets in it but not with a confident placed bullet from a rifle and ammo you believe in.

  6. Nothing wrong with a . 270 except the ammo is not as available as the quintessential Americans , ie ” . 30-30 , .30-06 and .308 . They all get the job done , the ammo is always going to be more readily available as more people reload for these calibers , and the . 30-06 can be loaded to perform as well as a . 270 at longer distances , its only advantage over the aformentioned . PS : More important than caliber is the equipment and supplies to reload for it and a little practice doing it . And don’t forget the molds to cast wheel weights into bullets .

  7. yes the 270 is a great round but so is the .308 and the 30-06 and the 7mm mags. but even the 22lr can kill a deer with the right bullet placement i like to have at least 4 guns for each person in the house 1- a 22lr its a great small game pot filler 2-a shotgun with a shotgun you can use it for about anything you want out to about 100 yards with slugs and with buckshot its a great defence gun bird shot it will take anything for small game then 3- a center fire rifle that would be your big game gun or battle rifle andfor number 4 id agree with darrell lynch on the muzzle loader well i dont have a flint lock i do have a inline that uses the 209 shot gun shell primers all this means is that i have to make sure i have plenty of and yes i do keep a good supply of them on hand because i reload my own ammo ive got a few bricks of them put up just for the muzzle loaders im trying to put up 2500 rounds of center fire ammo for each of our rifles same thing for shotshells and for our 22s im trying to put up at least 10000 rounds for each and for the muzzleloaders im putting up 5 bricks of primers for each of them so thats 5000 primers i should be all set after that i can also reload for all of our guns but the 22s and i try to keep enuff supplys on hand to reload every thing at least 5 times im storeing powder at my dads house and a few friends places as well as here at my house sence the law says you can only store 48 pounds at a time its a way to store more just find friends or parents that will keep some of your supplys

  8. These are all good rifles. For someone who is bugeted look at sufrplus military rifles. For example the Russian MN 91/30 is widely available for less than $150 and has one of the strongest actions found in military rifles. The ammo is widely available, new or surplus. My advice would be buy a copy of Shotgun News at WalMart or other retailer. You can readily see prices and availability for yourself. Any firearm can be ordered by a local gun dealer for a small fee. I don’t think I’d suggest reloading unless you are already doing it. Put the money that would be spent there for ammunition.

  9. Christy McCloskey

    Do you really believe that anyone can just go hunting, because they’re purchased a deer rifle? Hunting is a skill that requires first & foremost, self respect, & then respect for the game you hunt. Can you play golf just because you own some clubs? Even if you’re an expert marksman, it simply DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD HUNTER. Their are etiquette, rules, respect for self, the game & your firearm, too. I was raised by a hunter, am a good shot, & have hunted with my father….yet that still doesn’t make me a hunter. This is a skill that must be taught & hopefully learned from a master. Gun handling safety is a good skill, but who teaches gun shooting at your target, safety? There’s so much to learn, but the worst case scenario, to me, is to turn loose a bunch of hungry green horns with guns to blast themselves & our forests to bits.

    • Hi Christy,
      I’d agree withsome of what you said if this were normal hunting conditions, but if your hunting a game animal your a hunter; one should have respect for the game harvested as it will provide food for the family and in a survival situation that should not change, but hunting is hunting and everyone who has hunted had a first time. There is no guarantee that you will be successful which is why they call it hunting and not killing, but they will learn to be better hunters. I do think it may be a problem in areas of large survial populations where there are just too many people out hunting and no way of knowing how safe they will be. But you can’t control that, only where you decide to hunt and before all those people scare all the game into the next county be out where the game will be pushed towards you.

    • Hey Christy, how about we show respect for the topic “picking the right 270”. Not “what makes a good hunter”. What part of your reply has to do witopic??? Holy Crap, go take a walk in the woods.

  10. Christy, With all due respect mam if im hungry and trying to kill deer just to survive off the grid. The last thing im worried about is respect for the game and etiquette.

    • Although smaller cilbaers with a heavy bullet might take down a bison, I would recommend the .308 Winchester as the minimum, and that with a 180 grain hunting bullet. The .30-06 would be even better as it adds a couple hundred feet per second velocity at the muzzle. And with lighter 130-150 grain bullets either of those can be used for most other North American game animals.Being a traditionalist, if I were putting together a purely big game gun for bison I’d go with a .45-70, but that’s a close range heavy weapon suited for buff, bear, moose, and elk more than any smaller stuff.Keep in mind that the American Bison, commonly called buffalo here, can easily run 1,000 pounds, so takes a round with great energy and penetration to bring down quickly and humanely.

  11. .270 is a good deer round as Mike says. Ammo isn’t as common as the .308 or 30-06, but it is a time proven deer-slayer. The 7.62 x 39 is also good for close to medium range work, ammo is cheap and plentiful. Ballistics are about the same as the 30-30. And as previously mentioned, even the lowly .22 is more than capable of filling the larder. It’s that ‘lil lead pill effect. Christy and Mongo both raise valid points. Yup, in a have to eat situation, the gloves must come off. Christy makes a good point in that if one knows the ethics and requirements of hunting, the better one’s chances of success overall. Kimber and Browning both build quality rifles, but as a poor hickabilly, I say look at the Mossberg and Savage offerings. Rossi makes some good pieces as do a bunch of other manufacters. Shop around.

  12. Christy, you make a good point about hunting but you sound a lot like my Xwife. She’s a nurse and a premadonna who thinks she knows everything. The way you pounce on hunters sounds like no one lives up
    to your hunter expectations. And it sounds to me like you’ve had a few to many.


  13. Hi all,

    I am very surprised that nothing has been said about the good old string and bow, or again the cross bow. Yes the effective range is limited to 35 to 40 yards, if hour are gifted and practice fanatically this can be extended to maybe 50 yards, however you can do this all day without worrying the neighbours. If you don’t have a job you will have lots of time for this I suspect. You can also hunt and shoot game of all sizes all day without drawing any attention to your hid out. If you are handy and take the time to learn you can also make your own ammunition and bows. Nature providing the wood and an abandoned car can be turned into several thousand sharpe arrow points simply cut the sheet metal into shape then harden with fire. Most importantly if times are tough and you are looking to conserve amo for your rifles but would also like to keep your marksmanship sharp, you can practise and practice daily with your crossbow. No noise not attention. When needed you simply pick up the rifle and it will feel nearly the same. Dry fire practice would also be important in this instance as triggers tend to vary a great deal in feel and release. But I certainly would add one or of these to any hard times survival kit. And by the way even practicing with a bow is helpful to keep your rifle and gun skills up, it’s a similar posture and includes very similar hand eye coordination, try it if you don’t believe me.

    The Viking

  14. the 270 is basically a 30-06 necked down. it shoots flatter than the 06 with about the same power. i have shot both calibers while hunting. the 30/30 is less powerful with a mild kick. if you are going to use 30/30 try using the new softtip bullits and a wide angle scope since the 30/30 has a shorter range.

  15. nobody has posted the idea of snares and traps for large and small game. these are very important in a survival situation or economic collapse. they are discrete,quiet and are in use 24 hours allowing you to work a garden or do other chores. it is like you have several helpers assisting you for nothing.also using a modern bow and arrows does not alert the neighbors that you have some fresh meat. the key here is to live under the radar of officials and neighbors.

    • Hi Tim,
      A bow is a great idea and one I will be using as well as my firearms. I haven’t tried trapping or to be honest considered or thought about it, but you are right that it can work for you while doing other things and it is a skill that is very useful. I will reconsider and do some reading on it.

  16. Many years ago I read an interesting article in Field and Stream about selecting the best all around rifle for north american game. The two calibers discussed were the 30-06 and 270. While the author didn’t trash the 270, he did say he felt it was a little too lightweight to be considered the best all around rifle, selecting the 30-06 as his pick, and ultimately mine, too. Part of his reasoning was the availability of the 30-06 , at that time they seemed to be everywhere. I eventually purchased a scoped Savage 30-06 at Walmart and replaced the scope with a little better grade. I selected a bolt action for accuracy. My father, a retired Marine, was one who preached to make that first shot count, he didn’t like auto-loaders telling me it made some hunters hurry that first shot because they knew they had a second one ready to fire. He also taught me that the each first round of the day, usually the one that really counts, is fired out of a cold barrel, and that all the gas from the cartridge is used to propel the bullet, and doesn’t get wasted driving the ejection mechanism. Since all the power is used out of each cartridge, the consistency of ballistics from one round to the next is better than with semi-automatics. Now I don’t know if my father was right about all of this, it sure made sense to me at the time, and still does long after he is gone. I can tell you that this is one fine, accurate rifle that will put meat on the table and won’t break the bank.

  17. I’d try and stay in the common calibers, 308, 30-06, 30-30. these will take most anything in the lower 48. The 270 is a fine round as are others, but you have to consider where to resupply if you run out, not all gun stores will carry every caliber. I would also recomend that what ever caliber you choose that you learn to reload for it. Brass can be used mulitiple times if properly loaded and you can keep a good supply of bullets, powder and primers to last years. Use your firearm for practice before hunting season and if your successful will only use a round or two (hopefully you know your limitations). I would also recomend a 22 rifle as well for smaller game.You can get a single stage press (RCBS Rockchucker) powder measure, priming tool and dies for your caliber and also a good reloading manual and be good to go. Just remember to save your brass!.
    Using a muzzle loader (black powder) is a good choice for those who are experienced and fun to shoot as well. But storing black powder can be dangerous is handled improperly. There is a difference between black powder and smokeless, traditional black powder is an explosive while smokeless unless confined will just burn quickly.You can also use Pyrodex or Triple Seven which is also considered a smokeless propellent by D.O.T in your muzzle loader and is safer than traditional black powder. Black powder or Pyrodex and Triple Seven are measured by volume when loading your firearm while smokeless for a centerfired rifle is measured by grains. Pick your tool and learn how to use them properly and safely. I do have a 50 caliber inline muzzle loader that I intend to use, but also a 308, 30-30 and 45-70 along with a couple 22 rifles amoung many others and I reload for them all (except 22 of course). I plan on using my reloading to help others and can use it for trade as well.

  18. I agree with everyone talking about 30/06. I have one and it is a solid, reliable caliber that has stood the test of time against every big game animal in North America and many other countries as well. It is widely used so the ammo and reloading equipment (if you choose to reload) are very easy to find in just about any gun store. I would highly recommend stocking up on ammo for it ahead of time.
    I would also recommend buying a Mosin Nagant 91/30. It uses a 7.62x54R and it is also a heavy-hitting, dependable round that will deliver on North American big game. Someone already recommended them on here and I can’t agree enough. They aren’t as accurate as the modern rifles and aren’t as smooth, but they are built to last and it is virtually impossible to break one; plus the ammo is VERY cheap. I’m including a link to They have cheapest ones I’ve found online.

  19. While I use a weatherby 270 most of the time, I have over the years killed more deer with a winchester 30-30.
    The venerable 30-30 has killed more than any other caliber and has the advantage of not having too much recoil for smaller framed folks.

    • Hi all,
      Out where the wild groceries are, if you catch an old timer in the right frame of mind, you just might hear that there have been more deer and elk taken with a .22lr than all the rest combined… This is not a recommendation, I’m just sayin’… Seriously, when SHTF, folks will be using everything from slingshots to pickup trucks to fill the larder. The point is this: whatever your tool of choice, just be sure you can use it effectively before it’s crunch time. It can get way hungry while one is scaling the learning curve. Also, props to the quiet advocates- it’s always smart to keep your business to yourself, especially true when times are “interesting” and many folks won’t be exactly prepared to pull their own weight, or care much about the finer points of etiquette… Time spent year round, starting yesterday, outdoors learning as much as possible about game habits, year round, will be a very sound investment in times to come. Meanwhile, keep your Karma clean, and your powder dry. Saved the best for last… God helps those who help themselves.

  20. Any more recommendations on firepower?

    I’m ex-military and was trained firing M16s and 45s. I have a Glock 22 (40cal.) My wife has a 38.

    While better than most, neither of us are really good marksmen and probably don’t have the time or inclination to become so.

    I’m not interested in having the absolute best or an expensive rifle that will kill a deer a 1,000 yards. (If it comes to that, we have deer out in the front yard, 15-20 feet from the front door, all the time.) I’m interested in picking up some additional, reliable and COST EFFECTIVE firepower in the event of SHTF where one may need to protect themselves and their family from the roaming “have-nots” and reprobates but probably not enough for a long term TEOTWAWKI situation.

    That means I want to get some cost effective, usable fire power for various scenarios with a good supply of bought, not made, ammo. I also don’t want to spend a fortune on ammo as there are simply too many other necessary prepper things competing for the available $$$$..

    Here’s what I’m thinking of adding to my arsenal:

    12 gauge pump shotgun. Remington Model 870 Express or Mossberg Model 500?

    22 rifle with scope. I’m thinking of a Marlin 60/795/925 with a Tech-Sight and a Weaver 4×28 scope.
    Most lethal 22LR round if one needs to use it to shoot “something” besides squirrels?

    22 pistol. Ruger 22/45?

    30-06 with scope. Savage 110?

    Recommendations and suggestions that won’t cost a fortune? I’m looking to increase my basic/adequate firepower with money for ammo not go after perfection.

    • I’d say a Winchester Defender 12 gauge, holds 8 rounds. Cost about $300. Next a Ruger Bearcat 9 shot revolver with interchangeable Cylinder allowing you to shoot .22LR to .22 Magnum..Cost about $350. Lastly a bolt Action Winchester Model 70 .300 win mag, Cost about $400….AVOID Remington model 700, it has a malfunction which Remington refuses to repair. 1 out of 1500 Remington model 700’s misfire when taken off of Safe and placed on Fire, resulting in over 1200 deaths. Remington would rather pay out of court than fix the problem. Article about Remington 700 was in American Rifleman I believe and The NRA Magazine.

      Now me personally, The Browning BAR Safari (Stalker to Grade IV) BOSS .270-.300 or 7mm long trac is by far the best rifle made. I will go up against any Bolt action made with a BAR Safari, any day, cold bore or not. Gun stores always want to hand you a .338 or something way to big…With the right load a .270 is more than adequate for anything in North America, If you feel the need for a lil more power then the 7mm mag. is more than sufficient to take down any game. The .270 allows you to gauge the bullet up or down depending on the size of the Game and destroys less of the meat you are hunting for…

      • You say “AVOID Remington model 700”. From the sounds of it, you don’t own and have never owned a Remington rifle.
        I have 5 Remington’s and shoot them frequently and have never had one fire when the safety is taken off. And what person except an idiot is going to take the safety OFF on a gun while pointing it at someone? Your figures are suspect.
        I have a .243 varmint rifle, a .270 ADL, a 7mm mag BDL, a 30-06 BDL, and a .338 mag BDL,
        which I enjoy shooting and they are all accurate, safe guns.
        You really should know what your talking about, instead of just parroting what you’ve read.

  21. Please forgive the grammar errors, i am typing on my phone. 1. To believe that one weapon will provide reliable in more tthanone or two situations is not smart. Everything should be thought out, small caliber weapons such as a .22 for small game, shotgun for birds and deer, crossbows, recurves, and compounds are amazingly versitile, quiet and not too hard to master. Handguns have been severely neglected here. Not only will the provide the ability to take small game ( if you are a good stalker) but they also provide the ability to defend one self against the many people who will turn to violence. In the end, to rely on one skill will not prove to be effective, but to gain knowlege on many skills such as trapping, hunting(with various weapons), wildcrafting ect. Will be much more effective when coupled with stockpiling.

  22. A lot of people claim that there is always a great amount of ammo., available in the .30 calibers; such as 30-06-30-30- and .308. This is so, but In about every Wal-Mart store that I visit, there is also a very good supply of .270 rounds. I do not believe that the .30 caliber rounds are any more present than the .277 or more clearly .270 caliber. As far as I’m concerned, the .270 caliber is just as reliable at killing large game as the 30-06.

  23. A lotta talk about different calibers…I’ve shot critters and or own most of ’em. They’re all good in the hands of a competent person. I used a 30-30 for years and my buddies would make fun of me, but I consistently shot as much or more than they did. As I had never bought the “camo” stuff to wear I used kaki pants (old Coca-Cola uniform) and old dress sweaters, with the same results. I have a Weatherby Mark V 270 to shoot longer distances than my 30-30, different guns for different situations sometimes. I have t-shirts and down jackets and all the clothes in-between and at different times I use different ones! The question posed was WHICH 270 was best, most are made to pretty good specs and are probaly like mine, that is to say they are just as accurate as I am !

  24. The cal. to use is the one you can shoot straight. if an arrow going less then 500fps kill deer…….. any of the normal deer rounds will work fine. been all over the country and never not found 270 in the smallest town.
    None of this addresses SHTF… all the people will pour out of the cities with there guns the deer herds won’t last 2-3 yrs. there will be hunting all year!!! be smart to learn bow to keep any one from knowing where there might be deer. learn how to shoot .22 with sub sonics for your hunting needs. there won’t be laws only getting it done

  25. It won’t matter what caliber firearms one has if there is no ammo readily available. I believe the 7.62x54R is the last bargain in surplus ammo and the Mosin surplus firearms themselves are nothing to be laughed at. The caliber is pretty even with the .308. The new manufacture Russian Vepr semi-auto rifle is a fine hunting firearm, pricey now but a good option for someone looking to buy a high power caliber that is suitable for North American game up to Elk. Plus if one is busy he can still purchase a sizable supply of ammunition at an affordable price. Not to mention availability of non corrosive ammo for the caliber has grown. Cleaning a firearm after shooting the corrosive primer ammo that has come from the Slavic countries only requires one other step in bore cleaning and one needs to pay close attention to cleaning the bolt and receiver but not a tremendous chore. I have two Mosins purchased for $100 each. I have the 91/30 but also a real collector’s model for surplus military firearms enthusiasts , a M59 carbine. I latched on to the carbine at a pawn shop for $100 as I have been unable to find any of the carbines that are not priced too high IMO for the five years I have became interested in the Mosins.

    The Mosins may not appeal to some. They do have very good military iron sites. They can be sporterized but I prefer the historic military look.

    I became interested in the surplus Mosins because of ammo prices! While I shoot , or was shooting 9mm regularly some eight years ago purchasing 50 rd Win white box 115 FMJ at Academy for $4.79 per box when I began buying surplus 7.62x54R I thought 17 cents a round was high especially considering the still low cost of plinking .22 ammo. 17 cents a round , lol, the last I have purchased of the surplus was 22 cents a round…still cheap! Of course the ammo cannot be fired at most gun ranges because of the bullet’s bio-metal makeup but for those fortunate as myself with acreage where a range can safely be constructed I certainly believe the Mosins and ammo something to consider for anyone that simply enjoys recreational shooting. I have to wonder how ammo prices are impacting business at gun ranges these days. I cannot imagine business is booming but don’t have a public range so cannot say. My range will be somewhere between 75-100 yards max. I really like the way Hickok45 has set up his range. Mine will simply be a well constructed backstop.

    I don’t know about others but the only ammo I’m finding that is still within reasonable pricing under the circumstances is the 7.62x54R and to a lesser degree 7.62×39 if it is in stock…goes real quick! .223 is outrageously difficult to come by and very pricey as everyone knows. I have no .223 firearm but was considering a Savage Axis in 22-250. That is a good buy in a rifle. Lot’s of people give them good reviews. It has 1 in 9 barrel twist. Up to price range of the low end Remington 700 the Axis is probably one of the most accurate rifles out of the box other than the 700. It would make no sense to buy a rifle now however when there is no ammo available. And that is the primary reason I posted just the fact what is going on with ammo availability. I expect we will see a drying up of the import ammo coming from the Slavic countries. These manufacturers have been the only one’s I have found some target ammo to available in .32 Auto, .38 Special and 7.62×39. No way I will waste money on $1 + per round ammo target shooting. This may be a good time to hone the bow shooting and look at alternative recreational shooting opportunities.But then I’m still able to shoot my old Mosins without breaking the bank. : – )

    I don’t get jumpy about SHTF scenarios but do think it wise people educate themselves. With ammo I’m reminded of The Ant and The Grasshopper. True story and it applies to many aspects of our lives.

    Nice site here. Lot’s of good info.

  26. I have a Winchester Model 70 .270 Win and my son has a Ruger M77 chambered in .270 Win … both excellent rifles that works great for our deer hunting needs, my M70 shoots 130 gr Sierra Game King bullets down range just fine with 58 grains of Hodgden H4831 and the Ruger shoots the same bullet but likes a load of 59.2 grains of H4831.

    These are just a couple of our rifles including a couple of muzzleloaders but as far as .270 Win goes these two have really good to us.

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