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The off-grid medicinal treatments our rulers don’t want you to discover – Episode 012

logoIn today’s edition of Off the Grid Radio, Bill Heid and Brian Brawdy interview one of the world’s leading home remedy experts and woman ObamaCare bureaucrats loathe…Debra St. Clair. She is an expert herbalist and international lecturer and what she has to say will shock you.



Off The Grid Radio
Ep012
Released: September 3, 2010

Please note: This is a rush transcription, please allow for spelling and grammar errors.

Welcome to Off The Grid radio.  Better ideas that bust you and your family out of today’s global control grid.  Now, here is today’s show.

Brian: Ladies and gentlemen, once again welcome back to Off The Grid News, and the radio version of our show offthegridnews.com.  We want to thank you for hanging out with us. And before we jump in today’s show, I wanted to thank you also for the emails that we get, the calls, not so many texts but we don’t give our text numbers, but the positive response that we’ve got from our listeners and honestly you help us pre produce the show if you will.  You send is great questions and some critics as well, so please keep all those emails coming.  Again, welcome I’m Brian Brawdy as always here with Mr. Bill Heid.  Bill how are you today, sir?

Bill: Greetings Brian, I’m very well and you are across the table from me. It’s good to see today, and you’re lead in is a tremendous – scores well, hits well with what we’re going to talk about today.  We’re going to talk with Debra St. Claire today and one of the things that we do get a lot of emails about, a lot of calls about is how do I survive with respect to, how do I use the plants, how do I use the herbs, how can I do that if there is ever a breakdown or if I can’t go to doctor, what do I do?  That’s one of our biggest things that we get in terms of inquiries, so we couldn’t be more excited to have Debra here with us today and I’ll sat too it’s a context before we get started because we have so many questions that we want to talk to her about, so many things that tie in that she’s the author of the program that we do and you’re going to do a little intro for her.

Brian: Sure.

Bill: But makeherbalmedicines.com that we sell, her program on preparing herbal medicines is one of our top sellers. So this at the heart of what people love to talk about, how to prepare and in this case we’re going to talk about some things about how to get started, how to start to prepare your own herbal remedies.

So what’s even cooler yet is you remember when we talked to John Kappenman, and John is the engineer that scared us and said, you know you’ve got this basic solar storm, you’ve got a grid that’s vulnerable.  And when he said to us on the air I don’t know if you remember this, hey John how long will this take to get this thing back up if it goes down?  How long would it be?  And when he said and this is an engineer, this isn’t an apocalyptic guy, you know, end of the world guy and engineer calmly says to us, who’s testified in front of house, who’s testified in front of the senate, who works with homeland security, cyber security, all of those things, he said, 4 to 10 years.  So we have to ask a question as I throw it back to you and you can introduce Debra.  You have to ask a question, what would I do medicinally, what would I do for my body, how can I prepare for my family if the grid went down for 4 to 10 years?

Brian: 4 to 10 years, and unfortunately we talked about John Kappenman, said the house unanimously voted to go ahead and move that legislation forward to protect our grid and I get an email from you as we were doing a little on the story what did the senate do?

Bill: The Senate killed it.

Brian: The Senate killed it.

Bill: They want to put it into some clean jobs

Brian: Clean, green..

Bill: Green jobs bill or something like that when it was intended to be a security bill, anyway, maybe another show.

Brian: Yeah, it’s absolutely another show because when the house of representative say, unanimously, when does that happen the last time?  Everyone in the house has unanimously voted to go that way.  So you’re right, that would be another show.  But we are Bill as always looking, you know my favorite quotes, an hour across the table from a wise man is worth a years study in books.

Well today we’re honored to have a wise woman on our show and to be able to answer some questions that not only you and I have, but our listeners as well.  We’re honored to have Debra St. Claire.  She is the author of several books as Bill said. And the DVD series, the acclaimed DVD series on the preparation of herbal medicine.

She is the executive director of the ethno medicine preservation product, the non-profit organization that serves to preserve the medicinal plant knowledge of indigenous cultures and their peoples to preserve their knowledge for future generations.  She is also the CEO of St. Claire’s organics. Debra, it is a pleasure to have you with us, how are you today?

Debra: Thanks, Brian, very, very, very well, thank you.

Brian: And like I said, we’re honored, we always say you know, an hour across the table from a wise man today to have a wise woman, one of the first women that we’ve had on the opening season of our show, so we know you’re busy, thank you so very much for joining us.

Debra: Oh you’re so welcome.

Brian: Debra, I have a quick question. I have a personal philosophy and I call it dirt in our DNA. That no matter what your philosophical bent, no matter what your particular mindset is about the origins of humanity, we all come from the earth. There is dirt in our DNA. No matter how you tried to pull off the philosophical origami, we’re connected to the earth, that’s why I have to be honest, on the personal note when I heard that you are coming on the show and I had the chance to study some of the cool things that you’ve done, most certainly in Peru and other things that in countries all over the world in studying how that connection to the earth can help heal us, I was super fired up for you to be here.  Could you give us as we start a general sense of your belief and your passion because we are connected to the earth that’s a great place to turn to for the answers of some of the things that ail us.

Debra: Oh absolutely and we are so connected to the earth that we are made from the earth.  The chemical elements of the earth are in our bodies, and I want to go to a quote from Thoreau that I love, I dearly love.  He talks about people who say that you have to eat meat everyday or you cannot survive.  And he said in his beautifully contemplative manner, then I look out my window, at an oxen in the field across the way pulling a huge cart full of, no actually, pulling a huge plow behind him and this oxen eats grass.

Brian: Yeah.

Debra: So the muscles and the bones and the structure of our bodies can be formed in a way that most people don’t speak about.  And so to say that one needs to eat other creatures to have physical form is not true because you can see many animals that exist with grass, with grains that don’t have to have meat.

And so I know that a lot of the people that you serve with your information base are struggling to find a way to exist in the world that is more natural and less dependent on an artificial society that we’ve created.  So I just want to remind them that they need to think about what they eat, and how they make their medicine and what their breathing and all of those touch points where we connect with our environment are very important.

But what we’ve been force fed as a reality picture about how you must live to survive in this society, I’m not finding in other places in the world.  And one of the places that we’ve just completed a film in that we’ve just been filming in, in the past couple of weeks is between 14 and 16 thousand feet in the high mountains of Peru and when I asked those people what they eat, now these are strong hardy people.

The oldest person I met there is only 78 years old, but he can walk 12 , 14 miles a day and he climbs from 8,000 feet to 14,000 feet on a regular basis and what do they eat?  What do they eat?  They eat potatoes and a little Alpaca meat, but not a lot because the Alpaca are preserves for the wool that they can trade for salt.  So I asked one of the young men, what did you eat for breakfast? Potatoes.  What did you eat for lunch? Potatoes. What did you eat for dinner?  Potatoes.  So the thought that we had to have such a variety to survive is questionable.

The human body can survive on a lot less than we’re told that it needs. And it can survive healthfully with less food, more healthfully with less food than most people eat.  So when people come into a survival situation, we can take lessons from the indigenous cultures that we are working within the ethno medicine preservation project, just to study some other lifestyles, some other dietary patterns, and study the diseases that are produced by those dietary patterns and then avoid those by correcting.

But, you know I’m talking to these indigenous people in the high altitudes and I’m thinking where they are getting their vitamin C.  From potatoes, not high quantities but low in sufficient quantities to keep the organism healthy, and their teeth are pretty good. You know I was amazed at their teeth, and I’m thinking how on earth can people survive on such limited food supplies? Well you can, the body does adapt and if you can figure out your own particular balance, then that’s a great thing, but it doesn’t to be in the quantity or the place in the food chain that we’re force fed by marketing and advertising.

Brian: You know Debra I think it’s a valid point and I’ll say just as an aside Bill Heid will often say to me, hey Brian, remember that your stomach is the size of your fist.  You know when you have the opportunity to go ahead and eat a meal, remember that you’re feeling a void about the size of your fist.

So maybe we have in this country done a good job of convincing ourselves that we need extravagant 11 course meals, I mean, I’d like to ask you after we come back from the break, how do the people at 14 to 16,000 feet survive without Twinkies. I mean how did they pull it off, but both the size of their diet and the things that they choose to eat would be like, what I’d like to discuss with you when we come back after the break, if that’s cool with you.

Debra: Uh-hum.

Brian: Ladies and gentlemen, please join right after the break Mr. Bill Heid, myself and also Debra St. Claire.  She has all kinds of knowledge we want to talk to her about a recent trip to Peru and all types of questions dealing with ethno medicine.  We’re going to go ahead and run to a break.  Thank you as always for hanging out with us here at Off the Grid News.com.

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Brian: Welcome back to Off the Grid News.  I’m Brian Brawdy here with Mr. Bill Heid as always and Bill talking about the new paradigm, we most certainly have one today with Debra St. Claire.  And Debra we want to go ahead and jump in, I know Bill was talking during the break about a particular question that he had for you, so I’m just going to let you go ahead and tear into it because I want to learn the answer to this as well. Bill?

Bill: First thing that I thinking out when you were talking about, well, first, let me even preface it by saying if you’re listening to this, please don’t write to us and tell us that you want to eat steak, you can continue to eat steak, we’re not taking, this is not a big deal about you know eating things that you like to eat.

What we’re talking about is survival mechanisms and whether or not your body can tolerate things in a crisis so you got to listen closely what Debra is saying.  She is saying that if there is a problem and you have to survive, you can survive on much, much less and you can go lower and lower towards the bottom of the food chain and do quite well.

So my question then and obviously in the old testament I was reading one time about, multiple times about Nebakanezer eating grass and so he’s eating grass, he’s got a mental illness, right, he’s going nuts right and then he eats a bunch of grass and next thing you know, I think he kind of comes out of it. I don’t know how long he lived on grass, but so much grass fed food were – at least there’s a trend in our culture about you know eating grass fed beef and so forth.  Debra, could I actually eat grass and I’m not saying this is as a joke, could I eat grass and what’s the best grass that I can eat if I, I’m not going to smoke the grass, I’m going to eat it.

Brian: I was going to say is that what brought him out of mental illness. I didn’t know they had bongs in the Bible, but I got to spend a little more time in the scriptures.

Debra: Okay, cut it out. Okay, now look, I was talking about the ox, right.  What does the ox have? It’s got bone, it’s got muscles, it’s got skin, it’s got hair, it’s got a nervous system, and it eats mostly grass and maybe some grain, okay.  So, we’re talking about the interface between nature and humanity, and nature and living creatures.  Nature built that creature out of grass, okay.  So, yeah it’s got different stomach situations and it can absorb different things but so can we.  In terms of grass itself if people are going to – if they’re in a survival situation the best thing that they can have is seeds to make sprouts with, because they deliver the highest nutrients.

And we can have a whole conversation about how to manage our seed supply and what to do with it if you’re in a crisis situation but seeds, little seeds like alfalfa  seeds and red clover seeds sprouting seeds last for a long time if they’re stored correctly and you can get high quality nutrients out of those with just water.  So that’s another question for later.

But we’re talking about now the interface between how I am finding indigenous people are relating to extreme environment very often primitive environments and how they’re surviving and how they’ve  continued to survive sustainably for thousands and thousands of years, whereas, we with our super buffers against the environment have really wrecked the environment in a very short time. In a few hundred years we’ve done more damage that it’s just incredible to even consider.

So what I’m doing, when I’m out in the filming situations with all of these different cultures is I’m watching very closely the interface of how they’re relating to their environments because I’m seeing them survive on potatoes and I’m seeing them survive on beans and rice for a long time in a very healthy way.  But what I’m also noticing is that most of these cultures have found a way to get probiotics into their diets.

You get the cultures in Himalayas, the yogurt and the different kinds of cultures that they make with the dairy products. You get the chi cha in the high mountains of Peru and we exist with nature with the interface of our environments and the adaptations we’ve learned as a culture to manage.  So for instance, in the high mountain cultures, they work three different ecological zones called the puna, the de quechua and the yunga.

The yunga is the jungle and it’s 8,000 thousand feet and below. And then they have a middle altitude where their growing potatoes and then they have the higher altitude where basically hardly anything grows. That’s where they dry their potatoes.  But what they do is they take the corn from the jungle. They harvest it once a year. They take it to the high altitude to dry on the backs of llamas, 50 pound sacks per llama. And they go up, they dry the corn kernel out, they wet it later.

First, they dry, so it’s all dry and that’s how they store it. And then from that storage they pull the kernels and then they wet them and they put them under the straw in their beds. They use straw to cushion their beds. And then they wet them again and then they sleep on it for several nights and the corn starts sprouting with the heat of their body because remember high altitude is very cold. So they can get the corn to sprout and then they take this big stone, this big kind of curve stone that they can rock back and forth on top of that corn, it’s really heavy. And they crush all that sprouted corn and then they boil it and then they filter out all the corn pieces and then they boil it again. Again, and then they let it ferment.

When it ferments, it creates probiotics.  It creates organisms and it’s like lactobacillus, things that people understand now are very essential to the health of the intestines and the gastrointestinal system.  They drink this drink and they populate their organism with these probiotics and so most of the longest lived cultures have found some way to put a fermented substance into their diet that helps their body produce some of the nutrients that it would not produce without these base substances being present.

You know I’m seeing this in a lot of the cultures and I’m thinking, well, maybe that’s why they don’t have scurvy.  Maybe that’s why they’re not getting rickets, because I’m, you know when I hear that these people are eating only potatoes, I’m looking at them going, where is your vitamin C? Why don’t you have bolus? Why don’t you have like bleeding gums? And they don’t.  And I’m thinking what is it? What is it?  Where is the nutrient coming from in their culture?  Well, in this culture, I believe that a lot of it is coming from that fermentation.

So if the people that you guys are giving information to can understand that if you have a seed stock then you have the abilities to create all sorts of different kinds of food preparations and medicinal preparations that can sustain you during these times, then that’s one good thing that we’ve learned from indigenous people is how to live with less, but have greater health by manipulating the pieces that you find in your environment in such a way that you get the maximum benefit out of them.

So I’d like to stray to the herbal medicine topic here too and talk about the fact that if people are in the state of personal emergency in their interface with the grid for instance and things shutdown, then the best thing you can have is a really good sprouting seed supply, understand something about fermenting, some of the sprouts to get different kinds of chemical elements out of them, and to understand how to prepare basic herbal medicines from the plants around you.

Now, I’m in environment when I’m doing these films on ethno medicine and I’m in environments that are pretty sketchy like 14,000 to 16,000 feet or in the tropics where there are bugs crawling everywhere and it’s humid and hot, but the people, the indigenous people have learned how to survive in these areas and we have a lot to learn from them.

But the problem is when I go into these cultures, I see the old people and I see the babies, but I don’t see that interface of the young strapping segments of the population that should be learning from the old people so they could past it on to the babies.

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Brian: Hi, I’m Brian Brawdy here with Bill Heid. Bill, a lot of the emails that we get at offthegridnews pertain to herbal medicines.  How great would it be if there was one place that our listeners could go to learn all about herbal medicines and making their own herbal medicines.

Bill: Well not only would it be great, you’re right at this, it’s one of the key questions people have, what can I do, what can I do? One of the things you can do is go to makeherbalmedicines.com and that is Debra St. Claire’s program that describes in great detail about how to make – take herbs and turn them into simple preparations you can use.

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Welcome back to Off the Grid radio, better ideas for off the grid living.

Brian: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back once again, Bill talk about better ideas for off the grid living, our guest today, I know that you know this, I was very excited when I knew that Debra St. Claire was going to come on our show. I spent a good bit of time in the mountains of China, D’Ouest monastery’s there and the like, and I brought some of the herbs back with me, but as I listened to Debra speak in our opening couple of segments, it reminds me I spent time with monks that were massive in terms of their knowledge of martial arts, the ability to do amazing things with their bodies and they would leave the dojo right out the back of the monastery and everything they needed they grew from the earth right there.  No outside sources no anything and you’d sit with these monks and you’d look at what they were capable of doing and they’re doing it basically in a rainforest where they had a sides of the mountain, but as Debra said that the culture of the indigenous people and the knowledge that they have allows them to survive pretty almost like a logic a logic that’s latent in all of us so that when we talk about off the grid living, we don’t have to so much panic because as I hope in your follow-up question to Debra we’ll be able to touch on, it’s kind of latent in us as we discussed in our last show. This knowledge is something that isn’t terribly foreign we have to re-awaken it in us, Bill.

Bill: And that knowledge Brian I think is under attack and it’s under attack by the way we live and this resonates largely with what Debra is saying. We live in a division of labor culture that’s very far removed from the land and so in biblical terms where I’m coming from in all of this I just see it and I hear it resonate in what Debra is saying and that, there is a sense in which we cursed the land by our poor treatment of it.

We don’t let the land rest and so we have no bacteria in the soil on one hand. And then, but what’s worst in wrecking the environment, being poor stewards as we were talking a little bit with Debra at the break is the destruction of the knowledge and that’s knowledge that’s passed down from generation to generation. And when – this is a little bit of a, I’m throwing a little bit of a Marxist gaffe into this, but one of the things that Marxist love to do philosophically was cut generations off from their parents and grandparents.

Debra: Oh that happens all over the world.

Bill: And we’re going to talk about, it’s not just a Marxist thing but that’s where I see we’re under attack  is that generational thing and so generations, older generations gray hair has something to teach young people, In this case Debra, what can be learned from some of these gray heads in Peru and elsewhere that you’ve been?

Debra: Well, number one, the other astonishing thing is that I didn’t see any gray hair at 14,000 to 16,000 feet, it was all black.  So we’ll go into that in another way.  But there is some crucial things to think about here.  Number one, because of the gridful society that we have and also greedy society that we’ve created in our search to buffer ourselves from nature is one of the results is that we’ve created a society that when other societies see what we’re doing, they want to do it too.

Now, it’s well known that we in the United States and in the other developed countries are using way more than our share of the total resources available on the planet.  So whether people get into a situation where the grid closes down for 4 years or whatever, they can run smack dab into that crisis or they can right now start understanding how to live in a different manner more simply and more closely related to nature.  I know that’s hard on the 15th floor of a big building in New York City, but you still sprout.

But  let’s not go into that, what I want to say here is that all over the world, other societies are looking at ours and the minute they know what else is out there, they want to leave, at least they are young people, want to leave those often primitive societies and go to the cities. Well, when they get to the cities, they don’t have skills so they get put in the lowest of lowest positions of beast of burden carrying things. I’ve seen people carry three times their own body weight on their back for  long periods of time because that’s the only employment that they can find because they have zero education, they don’t read or write.

But what a wealth of knowledge is in their minds growing up and understanding how to live successfully in their native environment and yet when that little tinklebell of the lush society is presented to them, they say, “oh my God, I don’t have to be cold anymore. I don’t have to be hungry anymore. I’m going to go to the city.” And then they’re miserable and they get sick.  One thing that the Karo in the high altitudes of Peru is that their young people go, they try to live in the city for 3 or 4 years and then they come back. And that’s the only society that I’ve met so far where this phenomena is happening because usually when the young people leave, they don’t come back.

So what happens is you got 10,000,  12,000 years of traditional knowledge, experience, evidence that has been built up painstakingly over years.  Eat that plant, don’t eat that plant because, or you can eat that plant if you boil it.  Those things were learned because people tried them out and they died or they didn’t.  So they were the test subjects, thousands of years worth of this testing is encapsulated in a human form of these people who have lived continuously in their society for years and they are supposed to pass that knowledge down to the teenagers, down to the children, down to through the young adults to the next generation.  Well the young adults have gone to the cities.  So the old people are left with no one teach.

So this precious reservoir of human understanding and knowledge is being lost all over the world in such a rapid manner that it’s scary.  So the purpose of the ethno medicine preservation project is to use this vehicle to go into these indigenous cultures where the habitat is still intact, where the traditional lifestyle is still intact and study how they’re doing it.  How are they living off the grid with no money, the Karo don’t use money.  I mean, they don’t live with money in their society. That’s not part of their society.  There are societies all over the globe that are still living on that fringe that have not gotten onto the grid.

So we have, if they have not gotten onto the grid, so we have to look at these societies and how they have existed for thousands and thousands of years and study them because they are pre-grid societies and so if you want to know how to survive, you’ve look at those societies and see how they’re doing it.  But if they’ve broken their lineage, then they have lost because if they can’t make that vital connection, that vital connection to all those years of experience through their elders, then one generation can sever that knowledge and then it’s gone.

Brian: That all it takes, Debra is just that one generation.  Do you find the elders when you and members of your team go in? Do they readily adopt you? Are they looking for, knowing that their young people have left, do they look to you as being the blank slate?

Debra: Well, let’s say they’re appreciative.

Brian: They’re appreciative, okay.

Debra: They are very appreciative of the opportunity to preserve their culture. If the project is presented to them in the right way then they open, the completely open. We were shown for the Karo we were shown all of the parts of their world, what happens when they get up in the morning all the way through the end of the day, how they made their ceremonies, how they handle their food.

They opened everything because they realized what we were doing and when I talked to the leader of that nation, what I said to him is, you know what, if you don’t do this, you’re going to have your grandchildren, your great grandchildren asking for this information and it won’t be there.  They’re not going to ask, they’re going to cry for this information and it won’t be there. So the link between nature and a successful indigenous society will have been broken and they won’t be able to find their way back.  He got it, he got it and opened up the whole group of people and said, tell them what you want your great grandchildren to know.

Brian: Because you can very well leap a generation. That was pretty smart on your part to suggest to them…

Debra: The ethno medicine preservation project, that’s what we do.  We’ve been doing it for 15 years now filming all over the world capturing the knowledge of successful indigenous societies. When I say successful, I mean that they have unbroken lineage for thousands of years and they are still living that way on their native land with their native plants doing their native traditions and they haven’t made that break.

So those are the ones we’re actively searching out to film so that we can preserve as much as possible of their culture before the break happens because it’s coming.  It’s coming to all  the cultures unless the grid breaks down first because the siren call of greediness and of luxury and of the variety of experiences that we have here is so strong. And the other thing that’s really interesting is you know, the first expedition to the Karo in Peru was in 1955 and they’ve been visited by very few people and several organizations have gone in to try to do what we’re doing and they’ve just refused it, they closed down like clams.

Brian: I can imagine. Hey Debra, can I have you finish that story, we’re going to go ahead and run to a quick break, but we’ll let you lead with that story as soon as we come back. As always, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for giving us a little bit of your time here at offthegridnews.com.

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Brian: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back once again to off the grid radio here at offthegridnews.com.  I wanted to make mention quickly of something Debra and Bill, we were speaking, that when we talk about these, we use the term earlier Debra survivalist communities, after listening to you speak, I don’t think there’s so much survivalist communities.  It’s like we have to worry about being survivalists if, you know, heaven forbid anything happen where we are thrown off the grid.  But these communities sounds to me like they do just fine. They’re not so much surviving as they are thriving.

Debra: Well, thriving also but they have their challenges. I mean, some of these are in very compromised environments and I think that the people who are listening to you are thinking that we might be encountering a compromised environment , so it’s wise to take that threat and loop it back and say well, there are lots of indigenous cultures all over the planet that are surviving and have survived for, and they may not be thriving in a way that we think of thriving because their bodies are smaller and they have adapted to their climate and they’ve adapted to their oxygen levels and – but in terms of continuous successful survival, yeah, they’re doing that.

In fact, for the ethno medicine preservation project we are actively looking for those cultures that have unbroken traditions so that we can film those and study how they’re doing it because that is applicable to how we possibly need to adjust in the balance and how we live our lifestyles.  And so when we go in the ethno medicine preservation project does films in Australia and Belize and Peru and India and all the other places that we’re working, it goes in so that we can find out how people are making their own medicine, ethno medicine preservation project, that’s what we do.

But when we go in there, we’re also very alert to what they eat, how they exercise, what their lifestyle is like, how they built their internal economy without money at all, what their disease profiles are, how healthy their teeth are, we’re looking at a lot of things through the window of the ethno medicine.  And what we’re learning is that people, there are peoples for instance the Karo’s at such a high altitude in Peru, there are 25 most important medicinal plants, if they understand those 25 plants, they can treat just about anything that happens in their society because they don’t have regular doctors. The knowledge is taught from childhood. There is that plant and this how you use it, go gather that plant for me and bring it in here and I’ll make a tea out of it.  Go get that plant and chew it up in your mouth and put it on that cut and that’s how you’re going to heal yourself.  So these people have integrated the knowledge of medicinal plants into their daily lives.

Brian: And today that would sound like the definition of thriving if you don’t have to look, I mean other than nature if you don’t have to look for an outside source to be able to do those types of things.

Debra: Okay, okay, I know.

Brian: Well to be honest, I don’t care what we think as to whether they feel they’re thriving or not especially with an expert like you, it’s what they think about their life that counts, not my, you know living a half a world away, what my opinion is, is to whether they’re thriving or not, seems to me they don’t focus on or worry about survival. They’re too busy living to worry about survival.

Debra: It isn’t called survival in their culture, it’s just their life. It’s very simple, it’s their life, it’s connection with nature, and the other thing is these people have a profound connection with nature because they live so close to nature, they’re not buffered by three layers of insulation and all the things that we’re buffered by in our environment.  We’ve really secluded ourselves from our environment in many ways and it’s time that we start to know our own gardens even if they’re in pots in our windows so we need touch nature.

Bill was asking earlier about grass. The best nutrients from grass are going to come through wheat grass juice because that’s the living biodynamic, it’s dynamic and its living, it’s got the vitality. So if you want the best nutrients from grass, grow your own grasses and put them through wheat grass juicer and drink the juice.

But let’s go back to that connection with nature because they interface with nature all the time, they pick up subtle changes in their environment really easily, we don’t.  You know sometimes we’ll be so closed in our office all day long that we don’t even really realize what the weather is outside and who has taken time to just go sit and watch clouds for 15 minutes lately.  There are stress reducing mechanisms built in to their lifestyles that make them not need to have all of the different stress therapies that we have.

We’ve buffered ourselves from nature and so we need a compendium of remedies to get ourselves back in balance. Well they stay in balance, they never left the balance and that’s the difference and so the ethno medicine preservation project searches for those cultures so that we can study their lifestyle so that we can understand how to pick up the thread that’s been broken when the other cultures have lost that middle age bracket and the information from the elders that’s not passed down to that next generation so that it can be pass down to the next generation and the next.

Everyone has heard of the native American saying that you should considering your impact on the next seven generations, well, these people do.  They don’t say  it because it’s integrated they don’t even have to specify it and pull it out of their reality, they just live that way. They’re always considering the impact for the future.

Brian: And I think that’s a beauty of your work.  You know as I listen to you speak, I think of Wordsworth and I’ll trade you one, you mentioned Thoreau earlier, Wordsworth said, come forth into the light of things, let nature be your teacher.  So you’re taking time to learn not only from nature but vicariously through the indigenous peoples and then teach us that information which is why we’re so fired up to have the opportunity to have you on our show today. Talk to me a little bit about herbal medicines. Talk to me about some of the other things. I know we’re probably only have about 5 minutes left and I don’t want to give you the short rift but give me some heads up on what you’re learning about herbal medicines please.

Debra: One of the things that’s fascinating, we went to India in January and we’re going to go back and film in October because we have a chance to film six tribes of people that have somehow managed to maintain their lifestyle in the mountains of southern India unbroken and they still live with stone age tools and they make all their own medicines and they make all their own clothes and they make all their own food. And they have maintained their individuality and their nations, their internal nations in such a way that they’re still living the lifestyle, that they did thousands of years ago and they’ve chosen to do that.

You know it’s like the Amish in the United States, that chosen, they put a cutoff point, okay we will go this far but that’s as close as we’re going to get for this new society that is grid based and whatever.  However, the Amish didn’t pay attention to their diets, so they’ve got a lot of diseases that they really don’t need if they’d go back to their original diet.  Ah Sauer kraut, another fermented product. So anyway, so the peoples that have learned to survive and are still successfully surviving are carrying on traditions that are thousands of years old including their traditions of their medicines.

So when I was in India, I started studying a branch of medicine called Siddha medicine, which is a couple of thousand years older than Ayurvedic medicine. And the Siddah medicine came from a group of people that devoted their lives just to studying the medicine of their culture. So the Siddahers is what they called developed the Siddah branch of medicine and this medicine is – it takes care of every single thing that can happen to the human organism.  It’s been studied for thousands and thousands of years and they’ve had this time to develop the experiential evidence.

And so when we get this down to a nuts and bolts how is this going to be useful to your listeners, the point is if you can study 25 medicinal plants and understand them well, you can treat most of what will happen in the human body in times of simplicity or common living or in crisis with 25 to 50 plants.  So if people will study the herbal medicine preparation DVD series that I’ve created, they’ll learn how to make cough syrups and tinctures and extracts and compresses and decoctions and all sorts of different techniques that they can manage to treat all of their own illnesses – their minor illnesses and to some extent, some of the more complicated illnesses.

Brian: Well Debra, you know I wanted to take the time to thank you not only for joining us but you know in all of the ancient mythology and even leading up to the day, they talk about the true heroes and heroines going forth in the unknown and the boon that they bring back is good not only for themselves but for humanity as a whole.

So I applaud you and your team on your effort because most certainly the information that you’re returning with, it we’re smart enough to listen the information you’re returning with really is that boon that humanity is looking for. So, I can’t thank you enough for your time and everything that you’ve been able, all the wisdom that you’ve been able to impart with us today.

We’ve been speaking with Debra St. Claire who is the author of several books and the renowned DVD series on the preparation of herbal medicines. I also want to mention quickly her website, you can reach out to Debra at www.stclaires.com [3]. As always you can log on to offthegridnews.com and we’ll have all the contact information for Debra as well.  Bill, I think we’re probably going to have to have Debra back in a future time to continue because we could have talk for hours.

Bill: We could have talk for hours and thank you again Debra. We sure look forward to talking to you again especially about the probiotics. I think that’s one we just got to do.

Debra: Okay, it’s been a pleasure guys.

Brian: Very good. Thank you so very much again Debra. Always please remember you can listen to us at Off the Grid Radio, be sure to contact us, email us, we read each and every email. Send your questions, your comments, your critiques to [email protected] [4], that’s [email protected] [4]. You can find us at facebook.com/solutionsfromscience and of course follow us on Twitter at offgridradio. Thank you so very much, we know your time is terribly valuable. We really appreciate you giving us a small portion of it here at offthegridnews.com.

Bill, you know we’ve had a good time here with Debra St. Claire talking about indigenous medicines from around the world and I like the new survival herb bank gives you access to God’s amazing medicine chest. Let’s talk quickly about survivalherbbank.com.

Bill: Well, we’re fascinated with Debra and we’re also fascinated with the idea of how to take these herbs and make them into something that can actually help you in a crisis. What we’ve done is we’ve taken these herb seeds and created a little kit so you could actually grow the herbs that are in Debra’s videos.  So if something ever happened, let’s say the government made the supplement illegal or cut down on us somehow, you would have access by growing them and you could create your own products and create your own remedies this way as well.

Brian: And you know we both dig that new survival herb bank gives you access to God’s amazing  medicine chest. Learn more at survivalherbbank.com, that’s survivalherbbank.com.