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Are Your Vegetables Making You … Fat? – Episode 042

We are the largest agricultural exporter in the world. Our food production and supply lines are the envy of nations. We sit smugly in our chairs at night, watching American Idol or Dancing with the Stars, munching away without a care in the world.

Yet that food supply may not be as secure … or as safe as you would imagine.

Off The Grid Radio
Ep 042
Released: April 8, 2011

Brian Brawdy: Ladies and gentlemen, as always, as the announcer says, welcome to today’s show. I’m Brian Brawdy, here again with Mr. Bill Heid. Bill, today I’m so fired up about our guest, and I mean, you know why because you know who the guest is going to be. But, what a great, really, a wealth of information and knowledge. I can’t wait to get to it.

Bill Heid: Well, it’s timely, Brian, and here we are in the planting season, so we’ve been continually telling people to take, y’know, there’s some things you can’t outsource. Food is becoming more clearly one of those things where individuals and families are saying—even churches—we want to take control of our own food supply, because we want to know what’s there. First we want to know that we’ve got a food supply, then we want to know, hey, what’s in our food? Can we control that? And so, our guest is, like you said, a wealth of information. I’m a huge fan of his from way back at the Acres Conferences so, take it way! Bring him in, Brian, and off we go!

Brian Brawdy: Ladies and gentlemen, today it is our honor to have Dr. Arden Andersen, who was first a soil scientist and an agricultural consultant, then a physician. I joked before we came on that I like to think of him as “the dirt doctor.” He specializes in nutritional management and advises farmers on what he calls “the building biology,” to optimize the energy environments of buildings, homes, livestock facilities and the like. He has taught a variety of classes on such subjects as soil and crop management, as well as agricultural radionics. AcresUSA readers will recognize him as the author of the books The Anatomy of Life, and Energy in Agriculture, as well as Science in Agriculture, and the producer of the video courses in ecological soil and crop management as well. He has now written a new book, Real Medicine Real Health. I want to go ahead and get right to it. Welcome, Dr. Arden Andersen.

Dr. Arden Anderson: Thank you very much, Brian and Bill. It’s certainly a pleasure to be here today.

Brian Brawdy: Well you know, when we first put out our report Food Shock, I’d say three or four weeks ago, if not a month ago, Dr. Andersen, I was thinking, you know, it’s going to be really cool to get a chance to talk to you because I think most folks think that, y’know, chickens come from the grocery store, when you want milk you run down to the, y’know, you run down to the local farmers market or wherever you’re going to get your milk, and it’s there, but there’s so much more to what goes in to our food supply and the attacks on our food supply—I couldn’t wait to talk to you today.

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, that’s very true and it’s something that, y’know, unfortunately, in one way we live in a country where we’ve kind of been isolated for a long time and we’ve taken a lot of these things for granted, particularly agriculture and our food quality because we think, “Ah, we feed the world, so of course we have a safe food chain.” But unfortunately that’s less and less true, and really the issue that we need to look at overall is that people need to understand the real reason that we eat, that we take in food, is to provide nutrition for our bodies. And that nutrition will determine, one, how good our performance is, if we want to work, if we want to have athletic training, etc. but also overall, on our susceptibility to disease, our ability to resist getting infected from things, and our overall longevity. So that really is the underlying context that we need to understand, this whole thing. Whether we talk about soil, whether we talk about environment issues, or whether we talk about diet, ultimately it’s all about our health and what is in that food from a nutritional perspective.

Brian Brawdy: And you know, Dr. Andersen, I wanted to pick up, as I read in AcresUSA.com, I really liked your idea of creating a sound body through solid nutrition and a healthy environment rather than the alternative, like a lot of us would do, we look for that magic bullet in terms of some type of medicine. But I really liked your idea that there are so many more options for the treatment of disease, than then mainstream media and mainstream medicine outlets would want you and I to know about.

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, absolutely. And you just gotta remember it’s business. That’s the bottom line. It is just business, and the magic bullet concept, whether you’re dealing in agriculture with pesticides or GMOS, or whether you’re dealing in medicine with the magic drug or the magic treatment things, it’s still all about business and how do we perpetuate that business, and you know, everybody likes a magic bullet, we like not to have to change our diet, our routines, all that kind of stuff, but the reality is is that there are no magic bullets other than nutrition. And nutrition though, is complex, so it’s not “A” magic bullet and that’s what we really have to understand is that, our bodies are all about nutrition, and all drugs do is they alter the chemistry at that point in time, but they do not provide any nutrition.

Brian Brawdy: You know, I never really looked at it in that way. And Bill we, you and I were discussing the other day about, at lunch, the nutritional value of food, that a lot of people don’t look at food anymore for energy and nutrition, they look at it for a host of other reasons, but when you think about, as Dr. Andersen just said, taking medicine, that it alters the chemistry, y’know, at the site of whatever the ailment is, but it does nothing to add to the recuperative values of the nutrition itself.

Bill Heid: Well, that’s a good point, Brian, and I think one of the things that I’ve learned from Dr. Andersen in some of his previous talks is, for example, we’re up here, Dr. Andersen, right across the Mississippi River is Iowa and Iowa and Illinois, we pay our farmers by the bushel. We don’t pay our farmers for nutritional density. We pay them by the bushel so, human beings are smart. They figure out a way to push nitrogen and pump that kernel up, and make as much possible. They are going to maximize the utility value of what you ask them to do, because they’re smart human beings and so, that business side of what you’re talking about has gotten out of control and it’s a business and it’s lost an ethical dimension, and so, it’s not even on the radar at this point. People don’t even talk about nutritional density, what you deal with at Acres, but I mean, the average person. What do you think about, how do we get people, how do we talk about nutritional density to people, how do we change this thing systemically?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, the bottom line is, it really comes from the consumer. The consumer votes every day with their dollar that they spend in the grocery store. And that’s what really changes industry, that’s what changes the farm. And the proof of that, if you just look, compare today to ten or twenty years ago, the number of farmers markets in the country, the number of whole food stores or organic food stores, the numbers of CSAs—community supported agricultural farms—in the country, that’s all because of public demand. The whole organic movement has grown only because of public demand and so people do want to change and it’s kind of a real misnomer, farmers think or the industry thinks that, oh gee, we can out-produce the system, the organic system with high technology, but that is simply not true. And what’s going on, in the industry, is that now we’ve got more and more diseases that the farmer cannot control. We’ve got herbicide-resistant weeds, we’ve got bacterial and viral-resistant problems out there that none of the drugs, chemical drugs the farmers use, are controlling them anymore. For example, this last year we had a significant problem with sudden death syndrome in the soybean crop across the Midwest and we had a significant issue with Goss’s Wilt, which is a bacterial disease in corn. These are things that are coming up because the nutrition is not discussed. More importantly, the nutrition is not really used very well. Just the big nitrogen push and a little bit of potash, and gee, oh everything is gone solve it via genetics. That simply is not true and it’s not happening. We have the lowest reserve of food supply in the world today that we’ve ever had. And that’s because our yields are down overall, and of course USDA tries to soft-pedal that to the public but we are not producing what the industry would like the public to believe and how safe it is and all that kind of stuff, it’s simply not true.

And if you happen to go and look at some of the work, research work done by Dr. Don Huber, who just retired from Purdue University last year, talked about these problems of the resistant diseases and the resistant weeds in the industry, as well as the problems with yields.

Brian Brawdy: Dr. Andersen, we’re going to have to go ahead and run to a quick commercial break but we’d like to continue to expand on that as soon as we get back. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Arden Andersen for the entire hour. This is a show you are not gonna want to miss. Come on back, Off the Grid News.com.

[break 00:10:00 – 00:14:09]

Brian Brawdy: Ladies and gentlemen, and today we most certainly have better ideas for off-the-grid living. We have with us Dr. Arden Andersen, and if you have a chance to log on and check out his page, acresusa.com. I’ve also just been on to his Facebook page as well. All kinds of information! And Dr. Andersen, I wondered if you and Bill could kick around the idea of the yield and how it might not be, in terms of both volume and vitality if you will, of the nutrients in different yields, how it might not be what everyone tells us it is.

Dr. Arden Andersen: Very much so. The underlying issues, you gotta understand, plants grow from nutrition and gain energy from that nutrition that goes into the system. And we hear a lot of discussion about the various different phytonutrients and antioxidents and all of those kinds of beneficial things we should be getting from various different plants, but you gotta understand is, well, those components are made up much more of than just nitrogen fertilizer, and unfortunately, what I have seen over time as we have pushed just the nitrogen approach and just the lack of nutrition system of conventional agriculture, a lot of these beneficial nutrients are declining in our food chain. In fact, if you look at the British research as well as our own USDA research, the nutrient value of our food today, compared to 1940, runs somewhere between an average, depending on the nutrients, 15 to 75 percent less today than back then. As far as all of these wonderful yields and so on, we can out-yield the conventional system with appropriate nutrition. All of these great yields they talk about on a per-acre basis of corn and soybeans and so on are just not there. Yes, we produce more today on a per-acre basis than we did in 1920, using certain genetic issues relative to volume. But unfortunately, when you look at the USDA nutrient value research you find volume does not equate to food value. So what we have is a lot of carbohydrates, a lot of calories on a per-acre basis, but not nutrient density. So that correlates back to what public health has looked at relative to obesity, diabetes, and so on. We’re consuming a lot of calories but it’s nutrition-less calories. That goes back to the farm, the same thing. Put a lot of nitrogen in, but the problem is, on a per-acre basis, one unit of nitrogen today per acre produces less yield than it did in 1940.

Bill Heid: Hey Dr. Andersen, this is Bill. I want to bring something up that you’ve talked about before. It’s a phenomenon that we all see and talk about, at least my generation. We say things like “Grandpa used to smoke and drink and grandpa lived to be 95.” But I’m digesting, no pun intended, what you’re saying, grandpa probably ate out of the garden, grandpa probably at anti-oxidant rich, phytonutrient-rich foods that counterbalanced a lot of the negative effects of his, perhaps his abuse at times – do you want to comment a little bit? I mean, we’ve all heard those stories, right? Don’t try to do that today, don’t try to live on – I’m not suggesting that anyone drink heavily and smoke cigarettes today – but really, when you think about it, how many people have stories about people in their lives that lived like that, and yet lived to be very, very old?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, abso—

Brian Brawdy: Well Dr. Andersen, how old was George Burns? First time I ever saw a picture of the comedian and actor George Burns I was watching with my grandparents. He was over 100 and if I remember, he had a drink in one hand and a cigar in the other. That’s a great point, Bill!

Dr. Arden Andersen: Absolutely, no question about it. In fact, if you go back and look at our Founding Fathers, a number of them lived into their 80s back in the late 1700s or early 1800s. The thing about, what you gotta understand is that, these people—for example George Burns—their time, when they were in their mother’s womb and infancy and childhood, they had a much different exposure and this is the key developmental time in a person’s life and that really determines what’s gonna happen to you later in life. I mean that’s why they’re worried today about children being obese increases their risk of diabetes and heart disease as an adult. So you think about it, these people that were born back in those earlier times, their environmental pressures were much less as far as pesticide exposure, as far as air pollution, as far as electromagnetic pollution—all of those things, plus the food itself, according to the USDA, had a higher nutrient density. So eating an apple in 1940 versus an apple today, you get more nutrient out of that apple in 1940 than you do today. Those nutrients determine the overall life-length that that person is going to live. Understanding, the statistics say “oh, but we live longer today than we did then.” Well that’s only from zero to whatever age. If you look at 65-year-olds, you look at the public health statistics of a 65-year-old person in 1900 versus a 65-year-old person today, there’s only a couple of years difference in life expectancy. In 1900 though, we had a significant risk of death between zero and ten years of age, but that was still all averaged into life expectancy. So it’s a real misnomer to think that “oh gee, everything is so much better today,” it’s not. We have actually less health today, in a 65-year-old, than we did in 1940. In fact you look at an average 65-year-old today, the number of drugs that they’re on, compared to a person in 1940. And look at George Burns, how many drugs did he have to take?

The other thing you want to remember, and I’m not defending smoking, but cigarettes today are much different than tobacco was in 1940 as well. The number of things that are in that tobacco today—contaminations and chemicals that contribute to the ill health of a person as well—is very, very important.

Brian Brawdy: Dr. Andersen, can I ask you, because now you’ve got, I mean you really have my attention when you said, I believe you said between 15 and 75 percent reduction in the nutritional value of some of the crop yields, and you also said that’s why people are focusing now on what happens to a young, young child. Is there, and I know we talked, we were bad-mouthing magic bullets in the very beginning, but can you give our listeners some ideas? Let’s say you have, as I do, you have a ten-year old son, a seven-year old daughter and you know, they grew up, I mean they could tell you now what Ronald McDonald is all about and the like just from growing up … at what point can we start to make a difference? Is there a tipping point where, no matter what we do, as we grow older, to change those adverse effects, what can we begin to do right now as parents and just as regular folks that want take what you have to say and “Go, look, I dig Dr. Andersen and everything he taught us. I need to make a positive change in my life and I need to do it right now.” Is there any age that is too old?

Dr. Arden Andersen: There is never “too old.” And the thing about it is, environment determines genetic expression and so even though, you know, all the bad things that we have discussed, it’s very important that people understand the second law of thermodynamics which is, for every force there is an equal and opposite force. And what we mean by that, with all of this bad stuff out there, all the pesticides, all the chemical, all the lack of nutrition and the food and so on, there is an equal and opposite force occurring. This show, for example, is part of that counter via education, helping people to understand that it’s all about nutrition. It doesn’t matter how old you are, it doesn’t matter what issue you have—except for a few things between only one to two to three percent of diseases truly are genetic—everything else has to do with nutrition. So you’re talking about children. We have to change their diet. Even thought a lot of the food today is not very good, just getting rid of the worst stuff is gonna help the body recycle, help the body to regenerate—it’s amazing what our body has the capacity to do if we just provide it with nutrition.

I recommend people getting on omega threes for the most part, getting on some good multiple vitamin minerals, making sure they get rid of as much of those things as can that have a lot of preservatives in them, colorings—in fact the most recent research shows colorings now are associated with child behavioral issues—getting rid of those things, getting rid of those things that your body reacts to adversely. And, in other words, typically dairy, eggs, and wheat are three of the most common things that we see that contribute to ADHD, contribute to eczema, contributes to asthma, irritable bowel, those kinds of problems. Not saying it’s a hundred percent or they’re a cure-all, but they contribute to those problems. So we eliminate those things and as well, then, we look at purchasing our foods from more reliable sources, if you will. Things like community-support agricultures—CSAs as we call them—whole food stores, farmers markets, those kinds of places where you actually have a better connection to who’s producing them. As well we want to avoid genetically-engineered foods like the plague! Because in my opinion, it is the plague or actually worse than the Black Death.

Brian Brawdy: Dr. Andersen, we have to run to a commercial break, good golly there’s so much I want to ask you! Ladies and gentlemen, come on back, Dr. Arden Andersen is with us. I say this all the time, Bill, “you don’t want to miss the next two segments.” Honest to goodness, I really believe it this time as well. Come on back to Offthegridnews.com and Dr. Arden Andersen, here with us for the rest of the show.

[00:24:45 – 00:28:59]

Brian Brawdy: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Off the Grid News, today with Dr. Arden Andersen. This is a guy full of information that you’re going to want to hear. Bill, I know during the break you had a couple of questions for Dr. Andersen, so I’ll toss it to you and you can take a rip.

Bill Heid: Alright, thanks so much, Brian. I think one of the things, here we are in the gardening season, and it’s time for people to, you’ve got an option but it’s, it’s time-sensitive, Dr. Andersen. It’s April, and here we are ready to go, you’ve got an option to put a garden in, what are some reasons why people want to take control of their own food supply? You started to touch on one of them. We started to talk about nutritional density as a huge reason, but you started to touch on the other reasons—the GMOs—how can we avoid some of these other foods. Tell us a little more about what’s going on in the grocery store when you, when you go buy a tomato at Walmart or someplace. What are you getting these days?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, I think you said it perfectly. We want people to take control of their own food. So that is probably the number one reason for people to garden is so that they can take control of the food, at least some of the food that they’re eating. And unfortunately, a lot of our food today is imported, and imported from all over the world. Now there are some areas, not a problem, but there a lot of areas where our food comes from that don’t have the controls, the oversight, that we have in this country. They don’t have the same belief system and so we end up with pesticides, with chemicals—just a recent thing this morning, chewing gum from Pakistan loaded with lead. So we’ve got to have control over our food. Number two, a lot of this stuff that we buy out of the store is picked so green that you really don’t have a lot of nutrition because it’s picked so green, they put it in to storage areas, they gas it, so finally it turns to color when it gets to us. We want to have fresh things so having our own garden, we’re able to have more fresh foods.

Now, the other thing about it is, very importantly, part of that control is we can control the nutrition that goes into growing that food if we have our own garden. And even if we only have a few pots in the house that we’re growing some tomatoes or cucumbers or peppers or lettuce or things like that, we can still have a tremendous impact as far as nutrient density. Now, that means two things. One is the actual mineralization that we put into that system and number two, the beneficial biology. Think of the beneficial biology just like our own gut. People know today that if they take an antibiotic for whatever reason, that it wipes out the beneficial gut in there, beneficial bacteria in their gut. So they need to take yogurt or something of that nature in order to recolonize the intestine. We need to do the same thing in the soil—recolonize. You say “well, we didn’t put an antibiotic on the soil.” Oh yes we have. Pesticides are antibiotics. They kill beneficial organisms. Herbicides, like Roundup particularly, glycophospates, kills beneficial microorganisms and promotes the pathogens. So we need to re-inoculate the soil. Interestingly enough, yogurt is a reasonable inoculate in the soil, but there are a number of other beneficials. Some people use compost tea, some people will use compost, but remember quality in, quality out. Junk in, junk out. So we have to make sure that the materials we use are high quality materials.

So we want full-spectrum nutritions, full-spectrum minerals, we want to use fish emulsion and seaweed and things like that if we can, as well as basic minerals and then put the beneficial microorganisms in there, like “yogurt for the soil,” if you will. By doing that, and then understanding a little about the birds and the bees, and what I mean by that is, male and female. A lot of people have grown gardens and they can’t get their tomatoes to set, “I have great vines!” and no tomatoes. Great vines of watermelons, no watermelons. That’s all about male and female stuff. So, this is one place where Coca Cola is a reasonable product. We use Coca Cola as a fertilizer, put a little seaweed in there with that and  spray the plant with that with water, and that will set fruit. It’s female, and that will help us set fruit on those tomatoes. You want to make sure though, that you’ve got a good mineral mix. So you get a hold of a company that can get you fertilizers, natural fertilizers that will help to mineralize that soil and then get the biological materials in there. You say, “But what biology?” Well, good compost. Yogurt is a reasonable thing! Milk is a good foliar spray. So, what we want to look at, if you really understand what you’re doing, you should have everything in the grocery store that you need to apply to your garden.

Bill Heid: So when you talk about a foliar spray, just so that everybody understands, this is not something that the average gardener is tuned into doing, we’re talking about spraying the leaves and feeding the leaves, during, preferably during a time of day that those pores are open, is that right?

Dr. Arden Andersen: That is correct. Actually it is, pretty well we like to do that late in the day, early in the morning. That’s the best time to be doing that. And you just take a Windex bottle, and you will mix in whatever nutrient you want, mix that you want to put together in that. And a lot of people just put a little fish and seaweed, but that may not be enough for what your plants need, so that’s why we’ll add a few other things to that—some minerals. I said Coca Cola, a lot of people think, “oh, Coca Cola, not good for you!” Well, it’s not good for us to consume, but the thing about it is, plants can handle that. It’s got a little sugar in there, which feeds the microbiology, it’s got a little caffeine, which feeds the plant and the microbiology, it’s got a little phosphoric acid in there, and it’s got carbon dioxide, which plants love! You put a little seaweed in there with that, maybe a pinch of vinegar in there, and spray those vines when you want them to set fruit.

Bill Heid: That’s an awesome recommendation. I’m sitting here thinking, this is great! Okay, so another question that I have … Brian, did you have something in there that you wanted to say?

Brian Brawdy: No, no, I just, you know, yet another use for Coca Cola other than drinking it. I’m just flabbergasted by that, Dr. Andersen, that you know, and, if I could, really quick, Bill, before you go, so you would take a little—you said a pinch of, maybe some vinegar, a little bit of water—and you’re suggesting that we take the Coca Cola and spray it on the vines early morning and late in the day so the sun isn’t baking it, I guess. But, like regular Coca Cola like you would buy at the store?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Absolutely. You don’t want the diet stuff. You want the real thing, because you want the sugar in there, because the sugar is going to feed the beneficial microorganisms. So, you take a Windex bottle, a one-quart Windex bottle, you fill it up about half full with good water, and then we’ll put in about, oh a half a can of Coca Cola in that, put in about a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar in there, and if you’ve got any seaweed or kelp—you can get that in tablets in the grocery store or you can get the actual seaweed from the Japanese section or Asian section of the grocery store—grind that up a little bit, and put just a pinch in there. Mix it all up and with your Windex bottle now, you go out and you can mist those plants. Now I didn’t say wash the plant. You mist it, just like you were misting plants in the house. And you do that until you get fruit set. So you may only do it two or three times during the week, and that’s enough.

Bill Heid: But now that’s after you’ve got a sufficient vine.

Dr. Arden Andersen: Correct.

Bill Heid: Right. You don’t want to, you don’t want to start doing this or you’re going to cripple your –

Dr. Arden Andersen: No, no, no –

Bill Heid: – or you’re going to cripple your growth. So it’s important that people understand. So maybe a different formula for getting the vine growth. What would you do to get the vine to grow?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, if you want to get the vine growth, usually just some fish, little bit of seaweed in there, maybe just some yogurt, and some milk. That’ll help us get that growth.

Bill Heid: So to begin with, so that, at the beginning of the year, you’re concentrating more on that formula in the Windex bottle, and – I have another question for you, and Dr. Andersen, see if you concur. Brian, of course this will, this could blow your mind, but, I’ve been at Acres Conferences before, and I’ve heard different farmers talk about having sound frequencies open those pores up—stoma?—and making it more efficient. What is your take on that side of it, and what are the frequencies? I’ve heard the frequencies are actually the same frequencies that are, when birds are chirping. I don’t know that that’s true. What’s your take on that?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, we—

Brian Brawdy: Please tell me it’s like AC/DC or something, you know what I mean? {laughter}

Dr. Arden Andersen: No, no, they don’t like—

Brian Brawdy: – or something good.

Dr. Arden Andersen: True. There’s been research out there actually with the animals, cattle, with different music, and the very soothing,  I mean the classicals are pretty good, easy listening, those kinds of things are generally pretty good for plants. And so you gotta remember that it’s energy, and you’re putting a sound wave out there, and so it’s energy that is impacting the plant. And it affects what’s going on with the plant. And there’s been some research work over time, a product called Sonic Bloom was used, and which is just a little bit of the seaweed and a foliar mix, and they used sound to help increase the uptake by the plant. And yeah, right, the AC/DC stuff, uh, plants aren’t gonna like that too well!

Brian Brawdy: Ah well! Okay, how about Stevie Ray Vaughn?

Dr. Arden Andersen: {laughter} Probably not.

Brian Brawdy: Alight – {laugh}

Dr. Arden Andersen: Those are some of the things that you can play with and, but they’re not absolutely necessary in order to get a good crop. You know, there are different companies that you can go to—Arbico—is an excellent company out of Tucson, friends of mine. They also raise beneficial insects, and so if you need some predator insects, you can get that from them as well. I don’t—

Brian Brawdy: Dr. Andersen, we’re gonna have to run, I’m sorry to interrupt, we’re gonna have to run to a quick commercial break, and then we’ll come back for our final segment. Ladies and gentlemen, join us, Dr. Arden Andersen, here with us for our final segment, at offthegridnews.com.

[00:39:25 – 00:43:38]

Brian Brawdy: Ladies and gentlemen, we’re back with Mr. Bill Heid and Dr. Arden Andersen. Dr. Andersen, if I could real quick because we only have one segment left, you said something to me, I believe it was in the first segment, that really piqued my interest. You called them “Frankenfoods” and you said that the true plague or one of the true plagues of the 21st century was genetically modified foods. Could you go ahead and jump into that for us?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Yes, absolutely. Definitely it is one of those things that is really cloaked a lot in this whole technology love affair that Americans have with new technology. “Oh, gosh this new technology must be good!” But the thing about it is we do not have a genetic problem in our food chain. We have a nutritional problem. And all of this hype about genetically engineered foods are going to save the world is absolutely incorrect. We already have the technologies through appropriate nutrition and management to do everything that they’re talking about. Alright? I want to get that said here as we move along. Now, the safety issue. The government even is telling us “oh they’re all perfectly safe.” There has been no study, not one study in the world, showing that any of these foods are safe. In fact, there are studies upon studies upon studies that say they are not safe. And if you understand basic biochemistry and biophysics, it makes sense. As soon as you put in an artificial gene into the gene sequence, what happens is you create a different signature, an electromagnetic signature, which is what our immune system does or does not recognize as either foreign or food. And when it recognizes it as foreign, it reacts. Every study that has been done scientifically on genetic engineered foods show that our immune system reacts, and the animal systems react. If you look at the Irma-Cova study with rats, you look at the Surov study with hamsters—

There was an article a year and a half ago in the International Journal of Biological Sciences where the EU scientists took a look at Monsanto’s own research work that they presented to try to get approval of three genetically engineered corns, and they came back and said, “wait a minute, this stuff is dangerous. You have to supply to us proof that this corn is safe.” Monsanto withdrew their application and walked away. And they knew there is no research that will prove it’s safe. It is not safe. We get inflammatory reactions in animals. What they’re finding, what Surov found, what Irma-Cova found, sterility and spontaneous abortions, as well as slow growth out of the animals, rats and mice and hamsters. So, it’s a problem from a safety perspective. The first genetic engineered study on humans was back in 1987, and that was l-tryptophan, that was genetically engineered, that was not a contamination like FDA tried to tell us. It was genetically engineered, that was the problem that caused the eosinophilia myalgia and thirty-seven deaths in the United States. But the most important thing that people need to understand is, we already have the technology to do everything that the GMO proponents are saying we need GMOs in order to do. Feed the world, save Africa, feed the starving people, deal with drought, deal with weeds—no, we already have the appropriate technology through appropriate nutrition and farm management.

The thing about it is, that doesn’t sell more pesticides. It’s a business issue. It is not a technology issue.

Bill Heid: Well, and as food becomes scarce around the world, aren’t there even companies in China now producing plastic rice? I mean, in addition of this crazy GMO stuff, aren’t, I mean, where’s it gonna end? If there’s no ethics in agriculture, where’s the brakes on this thing? Where does it stop?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, it stops where we started with this talk today, and that is with consumer demand. The more consumers understand, they vote every day with their dollar in the grocery store. That’s where it’s gonna stop. That is the only place it’s gonna stop, because we have people in government with no scruples, and they will sell to the highest bidder. We have universities full of academic prostitutes. They will sell their research information, they will sell their time to the highest bidder. They have no scruples to speak of. And so it’s only going to stop with consumer education and consumer demand in the grocery store.

Bill Heid: Well, Dr. Andersen, right now, if I take a trip through one of the big grocery stores, and I stop and grab some tomatoes or apples, what crazy Frankenfoods are likely run through my body right now. I know we’re talking, there’s also research that, to suggest that there may be allergies as well as other issues being developed by these foods, but what—did I hear you talk one time about a tomato having flounder DNA? Fish?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, yeah, what they’re doing is they’re taking various different genetics from various different other entities and hoping to change certain characteristics of the plant as a result. But as far as fruits and vegetables, there’s not many fruits and vegetables that are available on the market that are genetically engineered. The exception to that of course, we have the genetically engineered papaya out of Hawaii, so I always buy, if I’m gonna get it out of Hawaii it has to be organic papaya. But the key things right now that genetically engineered are corn, soy beans, canola, and cotton. So cottonseed, cottonseed oil, canola, canola oil, as well as any corn product or any soybean product today that is not labeled “organic” or “non-GMO” is going to be genetically engineered. And it is going to be problematic based upon the studies that have been done in animal foods. And we’re seeing as well the veterinarians who are awake are telling us the same thing. They’re seeing that in the animal side of the equation, commercial operations with more virus problems, more bacterial infections problems, that they did not have twenty years ago prior to genetically engineered foods.

Brian Brawdy: So then, Dr. Andersen, that’s kind of a great bell-weather for us then. You know, you hear all the time about lab testing on mice, or monkeys and the like, but farmers themselves, and the doctors, the veterinarians are saying, look this genetically modified food is already adversely affecting the animals that are eating it, what do you as a doctor have to do to get people to wake up, you know, to kind of rouse them out of their stupor and go, look this really isn’t any good for you?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well basically, again, it goes back to this education and why we’re having—you know people who are listening to your show are listening because they want information. And so we simply have to be there to provide that information for people who are asking for it. And that’s really what we do. And—

Brian Brawdy: And Dr. Andersen, let me just interrupt for a second. One of the great ways to get that information, and I’m on Amazon.com picking up my copy, called Real Medicine Real Health. You’ve also given our listeners a website to go to and kind of study, and that’s FHRFarms1.com. But as always, we’ll have a lot of the links and information on our website and our Facebook account as well.

Dr. Arden Andersen: Excellent! Those things will work just fine. There’s a number of different places for people to go to get information, but information is really the key for people, to become informed and then they can make intelligent decisions as to what to do about their health.

Bill Heid: So we’ve got to figure out a way to spread the information, to make the information available, to market the information, market the misinformation even. So we have to call, have to have the ability to call attention to a paradigm that’s been carefully, or I won’t just say call attention to, expose a paradigm that’s been carefully engineered, not just by scientists in the lab, but by marketers, as Dr. Andersen is saying, by real pro-business people and they’re doing that here and aren’t, isn’t the third world countries, aren’t they especially vulnerable to the messages from some of these big companies that come in, because they come in with money, they come in with government backing, they come in with all this stuff and, just like we did with Iraq when we went in there and took away their heirloom seeds, their heirloom varieties and forced them into a different paradigm, you’re talking about a, almost, well we won’t use the word “conspiracy” but a global effort on the, from the dark side, aren’t we? Isn’t this kind of an ethical issue?

Dr. Arden Andersen: Well, the thing about it is, it’s business. And you know, you’ve got the Gates Foundation out there, who’s heavily invested in the biotech industry. I mean that’s what happened was, Gates took a lot of his money and put it into the Gates Foundation, took that money and then invested it into the biotech industry. And that’s where he’s getting a lot of his cash flow, tax free. And that was really a promotion of that whole system, and he continues to do that. It’s business. You know, we can talk about conspiracy theories and so on, but the bottom line with GMOs , it’s business. It’s people with greed and wanting to monopolize on the food industry. Agriculture is the largest industry in the world. And regardless of what the economy does, people still have to eat. So agriculture continues. And that is the real focus and thrust. It’s not about truth for them, it’s not about ethics. They don’t care. The bottom line is, they want to monopolize the system. So the more we can educate people about the demanding quality food, and voting with their dollars, the more impact we have in that system.

Brian Brawdy: Dr. Arden Andersen, unfortunately, as always happens when we have a great guest, that hour just flies by, and I know that you’re busy today and we had committed to keep it to one hour. So, we’re gonna go ahead and have to wrap up, but before we do, I want to remind people that we’ve been all hour with Dr. Arden Andersen, the author of, in addition to many books, the one that I just purchased on Amazon.com, Real Medicine Real Health and we’ll our links also on our Facebook page as well all the information about Dr. Arden Andersen and the great work, the herculean work that he’s putting in to wake us up to what we put into our bodies is what our bodies give back to us. Dr. Andersen, thank you so much for hanging out with us for the full hour.

Dr. Arden Andersen: Oh, you’re welcome. Thank you gentlemen, and keep up the good work.

Brian Brawdy: Ladies and gentlemen, as always thank you for hanging out with us for the full hour. You know that you can listen to us, Off the Grid Radio, whenever you like. Also, please be sure to email us with questions, comments, and critiques at [email protected]. You can find us on Facebook, Facebook.com/offthegridnews and follow us on Twitter, as always, @offgridnews. Thank you so very much. We know your time is valuable. On behalf of Bill Heid and everyone at Off the Grid News, we really thank you for sharing an hour with us.

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