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A Sub $200 Gun Worth Its Weight in Gold: The Phoenix Arms HP-22

This is an odd concept for an article, perhaps, but in many cases, off the gridders maybe looking for a “throwaway,” a “beater,” or even a gun that can be replicated in bug out bags, geocaches, or used by other members of the family easily in the case of a problem scenario.  The gun in this article may not be looked upon favorably by some of the readers, but I can say that I have real-world experience with this gun and in the almost twenty years of gunsmithing and retail firearms sales experience, I have found it to be an exceptional value in the “cheap gun” class. It’s considered by some to be a Saturday night special, but perhaps unfairly so. It does a lot of things that many guns twice the cost cannot.

First what it is not: It is not a primary defensive weapon or a primary hunting weapon.  It is not made for long-distance shooting, and it is not a fast-draw, last-ditch weapon as it is heavy on safeties (though it can be setup for a relatively quick draw scenario).  It is also not a showpiece.

Now what it is and why it makes sense to check it out.

It’s a sub-$150 (some are even available under $100) small-framed handgun in .22LR with a ten-shot magazine and is made pretty well considering it’s so cheap.  When I bought my eight, (yes, I own eight of them stashed in various places—though that may seem a bit extreme, I promise it sounds worse than it is) they were dealer cost of $75 (MSRP of $125) and came with two magazines (extras at $9) and there was a “target upgrade” option which added $15 to the cost and included another magazine with a finger rest and a barrel four inches longer (than standard) so you would have three magazines and two barrels for $140 MSRP.

I own four blued steel and four satin nickel-finished versions, only one of which is the target version.  My purpose for buying them was as a car gun, tackle box gun, last-ditch hidden gun, or a gun that could be buried in a cache in case I needed to bug out.  Two of my bug-out bags have them as part of the contents as well.

The ammunition is cheap, the gun shoots intuitively for all but the most massive of hands, and the build quality is better than simply “acceptable.” It’s actually fairly well finished and appointed.  Two of the guns I own have over 10,000 rounds through them, and there were very few jams or extraction/ejection problems in those thousands of rounds.  Some of my customers have experienced a “breaking in” phase, which had some jamming and extraction issues.  I have shot mostly ”hot” rounds (CCI blazer and stingers) and have perhaps seen ten jams in the entire process of using these two guns (and those could be attributed to bad ammo or weak magazine springs).  In full disclosure: the magazine springs stink after about 5,000 rounds or a year of leaving them loaded.  Get some extra springs or fool around with higher quality replacements (Brownell’s has several springs as standard stock which will work well).

*An Important Note: Make sure you know what you are doing if you modify a weapon, and make sure it meets minimum safe shooting and firing specifications.

A small ceramic stone on some of the bearing surfaces, including the bolt face/carrier areas and the magwell, will help to improve function.  Buy spare parts: trigger assembly and mag springs will be smart if you intend to use this gun for many years.  The one big caveat (though it has never been a problem in any of the 250+ of these I have sold/used/owned) is the plastic trigger, as it stands to reason that such a things is easily broken and should have been made out of a more capable material.  Again, remember if you choose to mess around with one of these guns, it’s not a custom job, and it’s not an expensive make/model, so plan accordingly.

The real reason these are so interesting is that not only are they easy to shoot, fun for plinking, cheap enough to clone in bug out bags and toolboxes, but they also work really well, digest just about anything one you break them in, and they have three foolproof safeties, so it’s very difficult for a small child to discharge unless they are intimately familiar with the weapon.  Unfortunately, the safeties can also cause a problem in last-ditch scenarios as well, so make sure you understand the weapon well before trusting you life to it.  The hammer block is the better of the safeties as it is a physical safety, hard to activate for small fingers, and “impossible” to override by the hammer.  A small child will not have the dexterity in their little fingers to deactivate this safety, and a slightly older child will likely not have the presence of mind to think to switch it off in order to discharge the weapon.  But a female shooter, a teenager, or someone in the family with no real firearm experience can easily understand this weapon and use it well.

The mag safety is excellent too, and strong to boot.  It does not allow for leeway, and the mag MUST be fully seated for it to fire. There is also a decent trigger/seat disengagement safety, which will allow for easy “safefire” holstering, but it’s not as foolproof as the others: I get the feeling it’s not impossible to override this with a bit of modification (though I have never had the desire to mess with it enough to figure out the truth).

It’s tiny enough to use as a real ankle gun or in a thigh holster for a female and can easily be concealed in a light down sweater without giving away its presence while walking a dog around the neighborhood.

Sure, this gun doesn’t have a ton of stopping power, but it can be a lifesaver in a backpack on a hunting trip or outdoor adventure, on a boat for survival, or in the cabinet in case you are surprised in your home by an intruder.  A .22LR is still a projectile, and ten of them can do some damage.  It’s a gun worth a look if your interest is piqued.

I have made $5,000+ race guns, $10,000 anti material and long-range rifles, and $15,000 custom bolt guns and double over/unders, and I can still appreciate this weapon for its potential and decent feature set for such a low price point.  Don’t overlook this little gun because it’s cheap; it’s a worthy participant in the “beater” category, and I have used mine harder than most could in the ten years I have owned them. The Phoenix Arms HP-22 is worth its tiny weight in gold because it does twice what guns in its price category can do.

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  1. Where can I buy this pistol??? Can it be bought from Phoenix co?

    • I would like to know where to purchase this weapon.

      Thank you,

    • I have the HP22 in satin. It is MORE than sufficient and saved injury or death during one of my hiking expeditions when I was tracked and finally pounced on by a Mountain Lion. Since I Am An Animal lover, I pulled my HP22 from my pocket with one hand while fending off any blows and fired a volley of 6 shots in the air which halted the attack and frightened off the Lion. A slight cut on my hand from grabbing it’s face and that was it. Very Very Good pistol to have and Carry.
      Charles Solomon

      • Terrence T. Scott

        What would you have done if that mountain goat didn’t run after you exhausted all your ammo. Wouldn’t you think the smart thing would be to eliminate the threat to be sure the mountain goat didn’t eat you or cut a major artery. I just think it it wasn’t wise to shoot in the air mot knowing if the mountain goat would leave or not

        • He didn’t need to kill the cat, so he didn’t. Maybe dial back your paranoid bloodlust, eh?

          • Hahahaha bloodlust? How about this animal is trying to kill me so I’m gonna kill it first lol. I don’t remember firing any warning shots after the talaban was shooting at our patrols in the Stan…. Just saying, life and death is a far cry from bloodlust…

          • I doubt you were fighting the TALIBAN, since you don’t know how to spell it. Which I believe would have pretty much been beaten into you at mission prompts.

    • pistol I have found is very accurate at 21 feet.I have targets that are 9 inches x 9 inches with the bullseye in the middle and I can hit the target 7 out of 7 times not including the bullseye which I might come close to but if you have an intruder and your home is threatened I think hitting a 9 by 9 inch target hitting at 21 feet is going to stop the intruder if you hit him at least 7 * times and I have only had one jam out of 100 rounds shot

  2. I have one and love it. I’m a Glock man, but this is my favorite 22. I don’t like the other inexpesive small pistols on the market like the Davis, Sterling or other inexpensive .22/.25s. The Phoenix is different. Buy it, order extra mags with the extended bottom, stock up on parts that may break or wear out.


  3. I have one and it has been modified to have the same manual of arms as the Colt 1911. That is to make it more user friendly and prevent accidents since it is a common condition and well known. I like it and since modification and finding that CCI minimag ammo gives 100% reliability in it as others have said about theirs it is a primary in the roles noted in the article above. A great backup or trap line gun and for the price can’t be beat. I Too want to add more as monet and priorities allow.

    R D

  4. The reasons stated make this a good beginner’s gun, and a good training weapon for family members. If pricepoint is an issue, then better a .22 than nothing. But for MY money, if it won’t stop an intruder, or a rapist, or whomever, it is a last case scenario pistol ONLY! Everything I own has stopping power. If i’m gonna be forced by circumstances to draw on someone, it will be with the intent of taking them out, and ending ANY notion of retaliation after being struck. An injured shooter IS STILL A SHOOTER, and chances are, one considerably more pissed off now that he’s been tagged.
    I would consider something with higher stopping power than a .22. If you’re concealing, the TTC Tokarev is a nice gun that is inexpensive, fires the 7.62×25 shell, (the commie equivilant of the .45 round in stopping power), has few moving parts, is heartily built, and is easy to maintenance and clean. The ammo is cheap and available, cost slightly more than .22 rounds, but it’s a bigger, better bullet. This sidearm is still used by oppressive commie forces everywhere, and 3 billion oppressive communists can’t be wrong! lol
    On a sidenote for the ammo, the 7.62×25 round is considered corrosive ammo. Now, this SOUNDS much worse than it is. Without getting into technical chemistry of ammo composition, this means that the rounds fired will leave a residue in both the barrel, and some of the moving parts that will prove harmful to the pistol if left uncleaned, and MAY damage the weapon. It’s a simple remedy, folks. Just clean the gun after every use! That’s it! There are inexpensive cleaning solutions galore to clean guns that fire corrosive ammo.
    On pricepoint, the Tokarev is lenient, indeed! The Romanian version sells for around $209, and the Polish, slightly better built one, for around $229. The Romanians also sell a chrome-plated version of this pistol that runs rougly $100 bucks more.
    The Tokarev is a well-built, reliable weapon that will fire a round with a bit of authority. Again, AS LONG AS YOU CLEAN IT AFTER EVERY USE, it will perform reliably for you for many years. Again, stopping power is king. If an intruder or 2 are breaking into my home to rob me and rape my daughters, i don’t want to injure them and leave them viable, I want them pine box eligible…….. The authorities can sort it out later.

    • 7.62 x 25 is an old military round that has lasted due to its ability to penetrate body armor. There’s plenty of surplus ammo available and as noted above is corrosive, but very affordable. Non-corrosive ammo is available but isn’t as easy to find nor as cheap as the surplus. Plus I do not know about the ability of the non-corrosive stuff to penetrate body armor. It is a bottle-necked round though and likely still has that ability.

    • Johnny,
      You have presented well the old “stopping” power arguement.
      Now everyone reading this please be aware that while a larger bullet does tend to produce more damage and a greater likely hood of the assailant to stop, it is simple that a tendancy. With a little more reading and investigation you will ifnd that no round has true stopping power. In fact using a 22LR hollow point generally works quite well. Where the bullet is placed makes a bigger differnce than the size of the round. In fact most victims of a shooting survive.
      One key advantage of the .22 pistol over say he .45 suggested is that you have 10 rounds instead of 6 or 8. One question most of us needs to ask oursleves is: Just how accurate are we going to be? the fact is generally pretty bad unless you shoot often and a lot! those 2-4 extra rounds might make the difference between missing altoghether and doing some damage.
      One other consideration, a 22 has less penetration power, in general. So those round you fire off may have less chance of hurtuing someone else or hitting someone behind your target.
      Additionally, for smaller hands, those of us who have a tendancy to flinch a big .45 is going to hammer you with recoil, whereas a 22 usually has much less.

      You will note in the article above the author went to great pains to point out this is a decent gun for those of us who wish to spend more money on overall preparedness. It’s already expensive enough as it is without having to plop down $3000 for the 4-5 guns you want in your bug out bag, tool kit etc.

      Thanks for the great article and feedback. This 22 looks like a great supplement to an overall plan to be ready to defend yourself.

    • Its all about shot placement. I have no problem with carrying a 22lr for defense…7 in the chest with a 22 will certainly stop an attack. To each their own..I don’t carry a .45 because I have a fear of not being able to put rounds on target fast enough. ( I have issues with my hands) the recoil is too stout for me. Ask anyone…the best carry gun is the gun you feel most comfortable and most accurate shooting..always aim center mass…anything else is just flapping gums

    • I purchased a phoenix arms hp 22, nice little gun, Butit dont fire all the time, out of 10 rds maybe it will fire once, i looked at the shells, and the firing pin is just barely touching the shells on the far outside of the shell. what causes this, and how can i fix it.

      • Send it back to Phoenix Arms for repair.. I changed barrels on mine and it shot like a dream. I shot mine so much, the receiver broke in two. I liked it better than my beretta neos that cost 250 bucks… SEND IT BACK FOR REPAIRS..

    • Stopping power is a fairly vague concept. Stopping what? It is more correct to say “force” as is codified in one of Sir Isaac Newton’s mathematical formulas: mass X velocity = force
      However, “stopping power” is in common usage and I’m not so picky about it being used as a colloquial term. It’s like saying “gun” and having Mr. Technical berate you for using that term instead of: rifle, pistol, shotgun or even more specific descriptions. It’s still a gun just like it is a car.

  5. Where can I buy this and what brand should I ask for? I prefer to buy Mail Order.

    Thank You

    • The Pilsner Prophet

      Jean, at the top of the article, it’s called a PHEONIX ARMS HP-22. PHEONIX ARMS is the brand name, and no, you cannot mail order one. You must go to your local gun store and fill out the yellow form and the sales clerk will call the BATFE. They will either approve or dissapprove the sale, and if they approve it, the clerk will happily order one for you, unless they have one in stock. Deppending on how much your state and municipality infringe your 2nd Ammendment rights, (which clearly aren’t meant to be infringed at all- READ YOUR CONSTITUTION, AMERICA!!!), you could take it home right away, wait a few days, or not be able to own and/or buy one at all. Another option is you might be able to pick one up used from somebody.

      • Listen, my friend, I am a gun owner. I am also someone who has worked with prison inmates. A background check and a few day waiting period are perfectly acceptable precautions. Also, just so you know since you seen to be a foaming at the mouth second amendment fanatic, every survey of NRA members always comes back that the clear majority of NRA members favor reasonable control such as background checks and waiting period. Let me put it this way; if you need to get your hands on a gun RIGHT NOW, you don’t need to have a gun in your hand RIGHT NOW.

        I once saw a guy unload 1 -TEN – concealed weapons at a shooting range. He was looking a round with a big smug smile on his like he was expecting everyone to bow to him. He was sadly disappointed; the most common comment made to him was “What the hell do you need so damn many weapons for?”

        • The Founders were “foaming at the mouth” about the enumerated rights. If they take an inch, they can take a mile–as they have in many places. Foam on!

    • u can buy at cheaper than dirt in texas 4 $118

  6. The Pilsner Prophet

    I don’t own one of these pistols. If I could afford one, I’d buy it, but in this obama (Guess we can’t!) economy, we must pinch every penny. The caliber is light, so people who are recoil-shy might be more inclined to practice. With the longer barrel, you get more muzzle velocity and are more likely to stop your assailant. Yes, it’s only a .22, but if it’s all you have, or all you are willing to carry, it’s a lot better than begging (futiley) for your life. Also, I get the magazine GUN TESTS and a few years ago they reviewed this gun and rated it very highly in every category in which it was appropriate to test it. I guess the longer barrel is a new thing. When barrack loses this fall, (and heaven help us all if he wins re-election VOTE HIM OUT) the economy will immediately start to recover in anticipation and perhaps I will be able to buy one. In the interrim, .22 ammo is cheap, so i can shoot my 10-22, my Berretta NEOS, and my Single-6. Did I mention that .22 ammo is even cheaper when you mail-order it? When I’m working, I buy it, and many other calibers, so I don’t even have to stop by the store on my way to the range.

    • I am betting you had wished you waited on month before commenting. Looks like Obama is going full bore on putting in place an AWB. As for the Economy. If we tank due to 16 trillion in debt, I guarantee you he will have had everything to do with that. Socialized medicine and it impact to the economy is already able to be seen. But the heart of our current economic woes are not his fault, or even bushes. The deregulation of the banks happened under Clinton and this policies continues on through Bush.

      • hey, look what didn’t happen! …..anything. A $100 pistol is still a $100 pistol and 45% of republicans and 40% of democrats still own their firearms.

        Also, how did clinton cause the economic collapse? he created a budget surplus remember? a certain draft dodger managed to take up his fathers mantle of mass deregulation and tax cuts for “job creators”

      • Did big bad Barry ever take your guns? Speaking of waiting, maybe you should have.

    • Well now…would you care to retract any of your liberal bile about Obama’s helping gun owners…when are people gonna figure out that both parties are to blame, but it’s the left that’s been in control since 2007 when they won the house and senate…who are directly and constantly trying to remove the 2nd amendment protections, going as far as to enter into illegal dealings with the UN, as well as attacking the entire Constitution in general…In your “musllim-socialist messiah’s” own words the Constitution prevents him, and his ilk, from doing what he really wants…that should scare the crap out of anyone, regardless of political leanings!!! How’s the cheap 22lr market looking to you now? rarely you may find a reasonable price, if you can find it at all…before reelection of this asswipe, and the staged Sandy Hook agenda driven fiasco, you could easily get a box of 50 high quality rounds for $3.00 or less..6 cents a round, or a brick of 500 for around 20-25 bucks, or 1,000 rods for less than $50.00 just about anywhere, now it’s better than twice that if you can even find it!!!…and it’s more valuable than gold or silver in the survival scenarios…you can hunt, defend yourself, and trade with it..try that with a coin!!!
      And for those saying they can’t afford one just go to a shop that stocks it and put it on layaway along with a couple boxes of ammo if you can. If you can’t afford it now what convoluted thought process justifies anyone thinking it’s gonna get any easier? DO IT NOW!!!

    • zombie hiker
      Obama is anti gun, I don’t know what kind of Kool-Aid you’re drinking.

    • waldo fefe fi fum

      obama is the only black person that should still be picking cotton for a living ,hes a black man hat acts like a white man hes a pawn thats all
      soon we will be rid of him i thought a black person in the white house would be a refreshing thing but only if it was a poor man i had to sady shoot a man with a 22 in the low torso he went down like now the 22 bonced all over inside

  7. I bought one of these a few weeks ago simply on impulse. It came with a magwell lock and two barrels, one short, the other long. With just the short barrel, it was extremely accurate at ten yards. I have to say, it’s well worth the money. Lightweight, accurate, dependable… what else could you look for in a gun? I keep it loaded on the nightstand, right by the flashlight, because I know I can depend on it.

  8. purchase ??==where??

  9. bought mine at the Pawn shop…NIB…. they carry lots of new in box pistols. i love it… gonna be great for my girls to learn on.

  10. Great information, good little gun as a back up and DEFINATELY better than nothing! I would make one more suggestion. I agree that it is (NOT) a knock down weapon and that the Takerov is a great little Dragon/Flame Thrower that definately has the knock down power and will get the job done. Here is one more to consider, the Hi Point line of handguns and carbines. They carry the 9mm/45ACP and the 40.
    Here is why I think the Hi Point line is the best for the “shoestring shooter”. (1) Ya Ya, I know, it’s not a BRAND NAME like Glock,Ruger or Colt, (2) Some consider it less than COSMETICALLY acceptable. (3) I have never had anyone complain about it’s ability to put bullets down range with the punch you need to get the job done. (4) The GREATEST advantage is that you can get a matching carbine (a small compact rifle) that shoots the same rounds as your handgun. I am personally disposed to the 45ACP, as I carried one in Viet Nam, and no one would want to get between me and my grand kids with a Hi Point 45 in my hand. The handguns run from $150-$200+ depending on caliber and accesories (you can get quite a bit higher than $200 if you get a lot of ad-ons). The carbines run $300-400 or more depending on extras but you can buy a handgun and rifle for under $500-$600. Now that’s purchasing power. Like everything DO YOUR HOMEWORK, you need to read and understand what you are buying, why, and how you intend to use it. All things have there pros and cons. These weapons have a tendency to have a “tight trigger” that could use some “finishing out” but they do tend to loosen up a little after you put a few hundred rounds through them. You need to shoot that many rounds anyway (for any weapon you buy) to familarize yourself with it. Oh, as an added bouns, Hi Point weapons are guaranteed FOR LIFE! I guess they think they will hold up pretty well!

    • Just one more comment: Hi Points are MADE IN THE USA. Just puch them up on Google, to get your local dealer. Remember, “You are the only one standing between yourslef and death!”

      • hi points are made in mansfield ohio so are cheap here …same gun in new york is 500.00

      • Nice to hear another satisfied hi point owner is out there.I have the 9mm and 40 caliber.My neighbor,a former Marine swears by his 45.Heavy,yes.Very reliable and accurate,yes.MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA by tax paying citizens,yes.Think ill go buy the 45 today.I love hi point.

    • I agree with the Hi-Point comment. I have the 9mm and the carbine. Both work well. I conceal carry the pistol and keep the carbine in my truck. They always fire and are accurate and durable. This is one case where cheap doesn’t equal garbage. They are well-made and do what a Glock will do. Maybe the Glock can be run over by a tank and the Hi-Point can only be run over by my pickup, but that’s good enough for me in my normal scenario.

      The other thing I want to mention is that yes, one shot with a .22 is not as good as one shot with a 9mm, but who would stop at one shot? Most attackers are met with multiple shots. President Reagan almost died after being shot with a .22 even though he had the best and quickest care money can buy. It’s not if they will die, but when. You want the bad guy to die before he can hurt you or your loved ones. That’s why a larger caliber is better overall. Saying that, .22s are great in most cases you would be in.

  11. Any dealer will be able to order one, of they don’t already stock in in their store. ALl the online gunshops have them, or can order them and ship to your ffl dealer in your area.

    They are called Phoenix Arms HP-22. They typically run about $125-$145, though you can find them for under $100 occasionally.

    Remember that these are “starter” guns (for those not all that familiar with weapons, or for those unwilling to spend a week’s pay on something that will rarely get used), and are not the major manufacturer guns you see from big name makers. That said, I think you will be impressed by the build quality and reliability, and the low cost of ownership and shooting enjoyment. .22LR is the cheapest ammunition you can buy that uses powder, and is still easily obtainable in many sporting goods shops.

    I’m glad to hear I am not the only one who likes these things, despite having more expensive and well known guns.

    Thanks for the comments.
    -Ben W.

    • A lead ban is the slnige most credible threat to ammo supplies. I love Barnes bullets but I can’t do very much shooting at $1 a round.

  12. For about the same price one can get a HI-POINT 45 ACP , a great deal more gun and firepower AND reloadable brass . try reloading rimfires when you can no longer get ammo .

    • The Pilsner Prophet

      Can no longer get ammo??? All I can say is… stockpile, reload, AND while doing the aforementioned, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. Untill barrack takes it away, .22 ammo is CHEAP. Stock up on ammo. It’s the currency of survivalists, realists, ands anybody who depends on themselves over the government. (Who cares more about you— YOU, or the government?)

      • *Sigh* How did we pivot from a discussion of reasonably priced firearms to politics?

        Let me fill ya in on a couple of things. First of all, before the pile on, I’ve been a Republican since 1974. My family has been Republican going back to the origin of the Republican Party. So there’s my bona fides and I can prove them ANY time you want.
        I have pictures of me being thanked by well known politicians for my service to their campaigns.

        Barack left office with the lowest unemployment in 16 years. Only Bill Clinton left office with lower unemployment. Since world war 2, the only President with lower unemployment than Bill and Barack was Eisenhower. They beat even the Great God Ray Gun. I voted for both Daddy and Baby Bush and then shook my head as they both tanked the economy.

        So let’s keep politics out of this. No Democratic President has ever tried to take guns away from anybody. They have only wanted the very same gun controls that the majority of NRA members say they agree with whenever they return the surveys sent to them.

        And lastly, calm down the hysteria. No President has the authority to take away guns . That would take a repeal and replacement of the 2nd Amendment. Which at least 38 states would have to approve before it could go into effect. Please stay awake in government class in your next life.

    • had my high points for 15 yrs and they never broke shot the hll out of them forget the looks it what it looks like in
      the front hole the bad guy worrys about
      9mm 40 and 45 the heck with the looks they shoot fine ,,you can get to the same place driving a a chevy or a caddy only a cady cost moreremember that

  13. Comparing a 7.62 Tokarev to a .22 pistol is apples to oranges. The author is presenting a cheap (price), concealable handgun that you can afford to buy in quantity and where ammo is cheap and EASILY AVAILABLE! Russian 7.62 pistol ammo is not easily available and in a survival WTSHTF situation would be next to impossible to find. Plus the Tokarev is much larger than the Phoenix Arms .22 and as such is less concealable. And the above comment that the 7.62 X 25 has the same stopping power as the American .45 ACP round is just absurd. While terminal ballistics sound impressive, the cartridge is flawed by it’s bullet’s design. Comparing a Tokarev to a .45 is like comparing a VW to a Corvette. Both will get you from point A to point B, but one will get you there a hell of a lot faster with much less effort.

  14. This is truly an awesome gun. Ive had mine for about 4 years and I love it. My brother, with the better eyesight shot a rabbit dead on over 100 feet away. We load with hollow points only. And actually 3 shots are enough to put someone down. I know because my bro was shot with three non-hollow points even. They bounce around inside a body like crazy. Thankfully he lived, but just barely.
    What I see now that I need to know is in reference to an earlier statement about stocking up on parts that wear out.
    Does anyone know what parts that might be?

    • I accidentally reported your comment… my apologies.. I meant to reply. The parts you will want to look into having on hand are as follows:
      recoil springs
      magazine springs
      magazine followers
      Extractor and spring and pin
      firing pin
      perhaps a trigger/sear/hammer if you have only one gun, or now knowledge of metal fabrication/supplies/equipment
      magazine release

      Anything other than that will render the gun useless without repair or extensive tooling/equipment.
      Remember too: just because you don’t have these extra parts doesn’t mean that the gun is unusable, it just means you will have to get a bit more creative.

      Remember to also have the tools to fix the gun if you have to replace a part (harbor freight is a cheap readily available source for punches, hammers and screwdrivers).

      Most concerns with this weapon (though I must admit are low) are with ammunition/ammunition loading. SO focus on having springs and magazine parts and you should be good…I have 10k through a few of these, and no major problems yet.

  15. I would use a .22 for plinking, training, small creature/varmint hunting or as a confiscatable (give up) weapon. I would prefer a 9mm or larger caliber with stopping power for self defense. When I was a child, divorced/seperated neighbor killed her attacking ex with a .22 only because the bullet mined its way throughout ripping up some veins. Otherwise I would look at .22 more like a very serious bee sting without immediate consequences. But still, better than nothing.?

  16. has them

  17. I had this pistol for a about 5 years – it’s a good little arm – used it for target shooting, had it in my bug out bag, I gave it to my younger brother when I picked up my Walter P22-, I even managed to accidentally take it in to work with me in a fanny pack once. OPS! forgot it was there. my brother managed to break it with in a 6 month period. if you drop it just the right way the mag release can get damaged, I contacted the company and got him another part (no idea if he ever managed to fix it or have it sent off to be fixed.) it’s likely he’s just rough on guns- he didn’t break the SKS I gave him- like an AK I guess he’d have real issues if he did manage to break it. 🙂 – as far as high-point carbine goes they aren’t worth staking your life over, I had the 9mm carbine that I used for a few years, when I got an AR that also was given to my little brother who after a month of abusing it, plinking, the mags didn’t fit in it properly- we shipped the carbine back to ohio where they are made. it was replaced and shipped back- after another 6 months it’s back to firing single shot if it loads at all. (this was using both ball and HP 9mm) so I can’t blame cheap ammo in a cheap gun. They even replaced both mags with new ones to their credit. I can say personally that if you have very low income and this is what you can afford keep saving up. I don’t consider them dependable enough to get by, the you willing to bet your life factor is that scary- but you have to make your own decisions and choices in what you can afford in self defense. my opinion is you can pay almost $250-$320 for the 9mm carbine, or get a remington 12 gauge for about $300. The little 22 is a good buy and I think it’s a good weapon if you want a beginner pistol. they are good cheap pistols, and cheap and well made are hard to come by- one fact I didn’t see what the place you’d contact for parts and service is in California, USA.
    another note one of my friends picked up his phoenix 22 and in about 2 years but 10k rounds thru it, he’d go out with a box or two (550rds) of ammo and target shoot every weekend. His pistol finally failed due to the trigger linkage wearing out! so they do work for a long time, and longer if you keep them clean and take care of them! have a good one all!

    • evn a stick is better then nothing so dont knock the 22 the gangsters it the 40s used 22s to the head so if you can put 2 in the head or shoot below the belly button to get that 22 boucing around ripping the h ll out of ever thing ers worst night mare 22 bullets

  18. I own the Phoenix Arms HP22 and love it as one of the very best made inexpensive auto 22’s out there. But, I would have one caution: It shoots just about any 22LR, but a caution about the CCI Stingers. The CCI Stingers have a slightly longer case and they may not eject as well as you might think they should, being one of the most powerful 22 cartridges. The longer case, the metal part of the cartridge, may stick in the chamber a bit, and may be the reason that some folks say they have “some” malfunctions. I have not had any problems with CCI standard 22LR (Just be cautious with the CCI Stingers) and the Remington Golden 22LR HP’s work like a charm in my HP22. I have both barrels in the Deluxe Range Kit that I purchased my mail order a while ago. (Must be sent to a FFL dealer, and they will charge a fee for the transfer to you) An enjoyable investment to learn proper safety and getting more comfortable with a firearm. Go for a 9mm as the next step toward some genuine defensive round purchase, but starting with the HP22 is a great beginning.

  19. The site that I purchased my HP22 from is:
    You must have it sent to a FFL dealer close to where you live. The above site may have suggestions.

    Remember, safety first. Learn everything you can about your gun. NEVER put your finger on the trigger unless you fully intend to shoot at a target. Practice, practice, practice, – at a proper shooting range!

  20. Riiiiiight, go check his “non gun cnronollitg record”, you sheeple never cease to amaze me. Start with his SCOTUS appointees.

  21. You can’t buy a better gun for the money!!! I have owned 5 of them, still have 3 and will buy a couple more first chance I get. You buy them new, you get a lifetime warrenty with them, you can’t beat that. Phoenix HP22 and HP25 lover for life!!!

  22. Not all parts are available. A few are “sold out” (like the hammer and safety) … but you can get most of them at: Lefthand column, under “Search”, click on the letter “P”, click on Phoenix Arms, click on HP22 and it will take you to a schematic of parts.

  23. I own the Deluxe Range Kit in 22 LR, and love it! It shoots just about anything but a word of caution using CCI Stingers. The Stinger cartridge case is slightly longer than a standard LR .22. I have found that it might stick in the barrel after a shot and not eject, mainly because of the longer case and the fact that the Stinger is a more powerful cartridge and the case may expand more and be tighter in the breach and not extract. Pay the piper and run a box of Stingers through your gun before trusting them to eject every time. I mainly use Remington Golden LR HP without any issues at all. CCI ammo always seems to work great as well, but a bit more pricy. Any other comments on this are, of course, most welcome.

  24. It is a nice 22lr but it misfires every other rounds but same ammo works in a ruger 10/22 just fine… Idk if its firing pin but I have to cock hammer back on the misfire to get it to fire… Just my experience with it

  25. Superb post but I was wanting to know if you could write a litte more
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    little bit further. Kudos!

  26. Heya just wanted to give you a quick heads up and let you know a few of the
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  27. Just a comment to readers:

    The trigger is not plastic. It is blackened metal.

    Otherwise a very interesting article.

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  29. Good responses. Not all ammo works the same! Not all guns fire the same. The more I read, the more I understand this concept to be true.

  30. Anyone know if the HP25 can be converted to shoot .22lr?

  31. I bought one in nickel and 2 extra mags way back. The gun was $88.95 retail. Anyway, starting with Johnny, I think you all missed the point of the review. Sweet little pistol and no it may not knock a 300lb. bad guy down but it you double tap him in the chest, it will slow him down or stop him to give you a chance to escape or survive. It’s a fun little gun like the man said and I don’t know where you can buy anything comparable for the cost and it fits in the pocket nicely. It’s hard to carry my PT-92 with shorts on in the summer with the 2 extra mags I have with it. If you want some real power, forget the .45 and get a Witness 10mm with 15 rounds that totally out performs the 7 shot .45. Good article on the HP22. Use Mini mag hp.

  32. Thanks to all of you that have posted. I went to my local gun shop where I do all my Business there was a little nickel pistol sitting in it’s hard plastic locking case that caught my eye but the guy working there said it was junk. he knew nothing about the gun, not even the name so here I am investigating. Thanks to all your reviews This little gun ( Phoenix arms hp22 deluxe) is going to get purchased right now. HAPPY SHOOTING

  33. Every tool has a purpose. For me, I keep an HP 22 loaded with sub sonic ammo as a car gun. Two things will happen if I am forced to pull this on an assailant. One all my shot placement will be directed toward the head and neck… and two, I wont be rendered deaf for having discharged my weapon in the confines of my own vehicle.

    Sub sonic ammo will cycle the slide on this pistol just fine unlike other larger caliber handguns I have used. Test it for yourself before carrying with it, but I use remington subsonic 22lr 38 grain hollow point.

    Its a tool. And for every job if you use the right tool you stand a better chance of achieving the desired result.

  34. I have this gun and carry it iny pocket all the time. In the several hundred rounds I’ve fired it hasn’t malfunctioned once. I filed down the spur on the magazine safety so I can remove the magazine for admin reloads.

    Yesterday I bought a 5″ barrel and extra magazine with the finger extension on ebay as a birthday present to myself. Got a blued barrel to two tone it.

  35. I have some hyper velocity rounds I would like to use . but I see the manufacture doesn’t recommend it . but several say not a problem thought ?

  36. I have had my hp-22 for several years now carry as a conceal carry quite a bit for size but also for size I also carry my Bersa thunder 380 a lot more if I want a little more power ( I reload all my guns except 22s ) you can find the thunder for under $ 280 if you look, also can find the Hi-Point c9 9mm for under $ 200 which is Hi-Point’s compact . Unlike the thunder and the HP22 the Hi-Point is a little too bulky for conceal carry all though if you can find somebody like me who makes holsters you can have one made that will let you carry it concealed, also Ruger makes a nice small 380 but at a larger price There are also a lot of other small pistols and revolvers on the market but again at a larger price. Every thing that I have I like to shoot and do. theHp 22 and the Hi-Point are ones that you can carry where ever you want and if stolen or lost you won’t feel so bad. G that what itis really all about.ood shooting and have fun

  37. Not a long range pistol. What’s long range for a pistol? With my 22LR, I hit an empty gas grill tank 6 out of 6 times from 30 yards. Let’s go to round 2. Five shots in a 4 inch circle from 25 yards. This little pistol outshoots my Ruger Mark I, my Taurus .38 revolver, my Hi-Point 9MM and my Urburti .45.

    With hollow point rounds, does as much damage as a 9MM firing FMJ ammo. The accuracy, damage and size makes this my preferred carry piece. As far as stopping power is concerned, I’ll take my chances.

  38. Richard Kilibreaux

    The PA-22 has proven to be a stellar performer! Right out of the box the gun cycled EVERY brand of .22LR and at the range proceeded to perform with 100% reliability!
    For the money, the PA-22 is an outstanding value with the only negative being it’s weight. It’s rather heavy by comparison to other modern .22LR pistols and revolvers thanks to the use of Zinc versus Aluminum, but considering the price difference, I highly doubt most buyers who can afford this $120 pistol will care.

    The PA-22 is a definite BUY!

  39. purchased two HP-22As … you must thoroughly polish and clean these out of the box before you go shooting… mine cleaned up with no problems… the satin version has better sights, as the ‘blued’ version will require a dab of white on the front sight for a better picture… fired 200 rounds of Aguila Super Extra (1130fps) rounds with only on FTE on the satin one – groups were in the bullseye at 15 yds… not hard to take down and clean, not hard to reassemble if you know what you’re doing… parts are cheap, so stock up… i prefer the extended mags – you can buy extended tab for the flat mag for $8… great pistols with the right ammo – don’t use high-velocity ammo

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