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Survival Secrets from the Great Depression – Episode 011

logoIn today’s episode you’ll meet an incredible man, Orson Holt, one of eight children who grew up during the Great Depression, a WW2 Purple Heart recipient and a man who not only understands, but has already lived through the kind of hardships we are likely to face.

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Off The Grid Radio
Ep011
Released: August 27, 2010

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Brian: Ladies and gentlemen once again as the announcer said, welcome to Off the Grid News radio version of our show. I’m Brian Brawdy as always here with Mr. Bill Heid and Bill before I introduce our guest this morning, I’ve got tell you we always give people the ability to log on to offthegridnews.com – the website just looks better, the content gets better every day, the critique gets better every day, your guys are doing a heck – and girls are doing a heck of a job at offthegridnews.com. It just looks beautiful.

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Bill: Well, thanks Brian and if you want to find out whether Lindsay’s in jail or not, you’re not going to get that data on our site but there’s some stuff…

Brian: I’m buying lunch today just for that Bill, just because you promised I will never have to hear… I heard she’s suing someone this morning…

Bill: I never mentioned snooky.

Brian: Yeah, careful, careful but I’m with you. I’ll buy lunch today, I’m a huge fan as long as I don’t have to hear about them and Jersey Shore, my life is complete.

Bill: As with me but I want to make a quick prefatory statement about our guest today, you know most people living today really have no recollection of that the Great Depression, they have no recollection of World War II for that matter because people living today weren’t even born during these periods of time. So, so much good information, there is good information available that you can read about but so much of that information has been tainted by statists and the left and so what you get is sort of a crazy pro-Roosevelt – he saved the world. And today’s guest, I’m very excited about it because we’re going to take you back in time and give you the wisdom as you say time across the table.

Brian: Sure.

Bill: We’ve got time across the table from someone that was very honored to have.

Brian: Well, we’ll do that and you know when you said Bill about Roosevelt, it made me think of Winston Churchill and the finest hour. This is going to be one of our finest hours. Ladies and gentlemen our guest today is 95 years old, he lives in California, more importantly, a retired veteran of World War II. He has a Purple Heart for service and also has lived through – did live through the Great Depression. Please say hello to Mr. Orson Holt, Mr. Holt how are you this morning sir?

Mr. Holt: I’m very good thank you.

Brian: It is such an honor to have an occasion to speak with you, my grandfather served in World War II and God love him he went on quite a few years back so it’s nice to speak with someone that served at the same time as my grandfather did, thank you again.

Mr. Holt: You’re more than welcome.

Brian: And Bill I know you’ve got some questions for Mr. Holt right out-of-the-box and so I’ll get out of your way.

Bill: I’ve got some questions right away. Orson one of the things that I’m very interested in is letting everyone know just what life was like during the depression and can you tell us a little bit about what happened on that day when you kind of first new times were hard. Of course times were hard in the 20s as well for most people, most farmers but how did you know that there was something wrong?

Mr. Holt: Well, there was no work, there was work but there was no money. I have worked many a day for a dollar and glad to get the job. That would be a day of 9 to 10 hours of hard labor but because of the depression there was a lot of people out of work so I was glad that I was able to work where I could make a dollar and it was really tough. I had a family of – my dad had 13 children but my mother had 14 children. They both had been married before, before they got married and I’m the oldest of eight. I have seven younger brothers and sisters that I had to take care of. My dad said son you’re the oldest and now this was after the war was over of course but in the – during the early depression in the 30s it was really tough and I was really blessed that I had a job that I could work and make a dollar.

Bill: Well Orson, your two words or three words tough yet blessed seems to be a recurring theme from other people that I’ve talked to from that, who have lived through that period of time. First of all, what work did you end up getting, what kind of jobs were available? I remember seeing in; you know history textbooks that there were a lot of people selling apples on the street corner. In the big cities you had people that used to be executives and used to have pretty high faluting jobs now selling apples for five cents apiece, what did you do during the depression?

Mr. Holt: Well, I’ve been a farmer all my life, my dad was a farmer and we lived in Arizona, in Mesa, Arizona and it was just unbelievable that I had a job that I could work nine or 10 hours and get a dollar, boy what a blessing that was, things were really tough then. I don’t know about the rest of the world at that time because I was just young but I’ve always made a point to be aware of what’s going on around me and because of that I’ve kind of kept up on the world affairs as I got older especially with World War II was coming on I don’t know but I think I have some suggestions that if our politicians would listen we could solve these problems.

Bill: We’d love to hear them.

Mr. Holt: Well, number one, I don’t know if you’re aware of it or not but the Queen of England financed the civil war and it was the northern states that borrowed the money that she was supposed to be paid back at the end of the war but the government didn’t have the money to pay her so they postponed it for 50 years that she took a mortgage all Washington DC and I don’t know if you’ve heard of it recently but of course it wasn’t the same Queen that was the Queen of England, the Queen now came over and well she had foreclosed on her mortgage and she owned 10 square miles of Washington DC and she told Obama to get the heck out of her property.

Brian: Mr. Holt, I’m going to have to interrupt for just a second, were going to run into a quick commercial break. We’ll keep in mind the evicting of people that I call the Capitol Hill hugger gang; we’ll keep that in mind as we go to this break. Please stick around were going to do a quick commercial and then back with Mr. Orson Holt, 95-year-old World War II Purple Heart recipient and survivor of the Great Depression. Stick around we’ll be right back after this break.

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Brian: Ladies and gentlemen as the announcer says welcome back to Off the Grid News, the radio version of our show. Bill how often is it that you get to speak to someone not only 95 years old but someone that’s a World War II veteran, a decorated World War II veteran and someone that has a vivid memory of surviving the Great Depression? This is a first for me.

Bill: Well, it’s awesome to be able to talk to somebody like that because preparing for the worst as you heard during the first segment doesn’t mean the end of the world and now I hope that everybody caught tough but blessed, tough but blessed. Now that’s a perspective that you have that your faith can yield to you and I think that what he has to say can get people through hard times that you’ve got to have faith and we’ll talk about than just a second and we were talking Orson earlier about the queen who, who actually was the president during that period of time do you remember?

Mr. Holt: Why of course, oh no I don’t remember for sure, do you mean at the time of the Civil War?

Bill: Yeah at the end of – would it have been the, it probably would have been the Lincoln administration, my assumption would be.

Mr. Holt: Anyway, that was a long time ago but that never had been paid and the queen took a mortgage on Washington DC and of course over the period of time everybody thought that she had no proof that she had the mortgage on Washington DC but she brought that – this new queen when she came over and told Obama and all the people that was in the government there to get the heck off of her property and there was a fight between Obama and the queen and when this new queen came over she brought a copy of the original Queens mortgage they felt they had over the years that had been buried but they didn’t remember that they still had the record and so I don’t know how it’s going to turn out but…

Bill: That’s amazing Orson that that’s still on your mind and that you’re still thinking about that. Let’s talk about mortgages and the fact that when you can’t pay the banker or whoever the holder of that mortgage is comes and says what used to be yours is now mine. Now your dad held on to his farm during the depression?

Mr. Holt: No.

Bill: Or did he lose it?

Mr. Holt: Yeah, we lost it. It’s quite another story but then we didn’t have – it took World War II to put jobs back in the economy making products for England in their fight against Germany, they called it land lease, I don’t know if you know anything about land lease.

Bill: Sure.

Mr. Holt: Anyway, all those debts have to be paid and I think I have a solution, now this is just a farmer boy making this suggestion and that’s all it is but why don’t we make a trade with Great Britain, you mark our debt for Civil War that we have owed you for all these many years – now of course it wasn’t the same queen that is the English government court and with a debt of World War II that is probably 100 times more than if we were to – if our government was to demand payment, it would be maybe a 100 times more than the other but why not just make a trade.

Bill: That’s an excellent idea, we’ll call it even.

Mr. Holt: Yeah, we’ll call it even. Would that solve a lot of problems?

Bill: It would solve a lot of problems but Orson I have to ask you to that a lot of listeners want to know what it was like to have money when you were young and during the Depression. Did you spend money like people spend money today?

Mr. Holt: In the Great Depression…

Bill: What happened when you had a dollar?

Mr. Holt: I only made a dollar a day.

Bill: Well, when you had that dollar did you want to buy a new pair of tennis shoes right away with it or what did you do with it?

Mr. Holt: By God, we wanted to eat. We had a dollar to buy groceries, to buy the things that we needed on the farm and then eventually we lost the farm and oh man, it brings back so many memories. And I can’t believe how blessed I am that I am still alive here at 95, I’m working on ninety-six. April 18 is my birthday and this next April 18, I will be 96 years old and I’m in reasonably good health, I don’t have any pain and that’s something else…

Bill: What do you attribute your long life to? What do you attribute your long life to and your life without pain, your blessed life as you say, what should people do?

Mr. Holt: Well, I have remembered when I was drafted into World War II that the Lord Jesus Christ was on the earth at that time, was on the earth and so was the priesthood which was the authority that God meant for man to act for him was on the earth and I remembered reading if you keep my commandments I’m bound to bless you and so I made a commitment an agreement between the Lord God in me that he would bring me safely through the war that I would do my best to serve him for all of my life and I kept that commitment and I still am and I’m still blessed.

Brian: Mr. Holt, thank you for that.

Mr. Holt: The same blessing can come to anybody; anybody can receive that same blessing.

Brian: Now Mr. Holt, we’re going to go ahead and run into a quick break but when we come back, I’d like you to expand on that because we’re talking about a blessing and you feeling blessed for someone that works for years during the Great Depression for what work out to be about $.10 per hour Bill, $.10 per hour.

Bill: That’s remarkable.

Brian: We’re going to go ahead and take a break, when we come back our final segment with Mr. Orson Holt, back right after these messages.

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Brian: Ladies and gentlemen welcome back we’re going to throw it right Bill Heid interviewing today Mr. Orson Holt, Bill take it away.

Bill: Brian, I guess I’m just taken back by someone who and this is really for everyone listening needs to go back and replay this a couple of times so they can get this into their minds – if all you care about is money then you’re not going to consider yourself blessed by working for a dollar a day. So you had asked Orson to expand on a little bit, could you a little more on being blessed and on your faith and on hard work Orson?

Mr. Holt: Well, I think blessed is just being able to stay alive, our family stay together, what could be better? We didn’t make much money but we made enough to eat and to live and how can a person or a family, most especially a family be more blessed than to be able to stay together as a family. And as we grew up we talk those same great principles to our children and I don’t know of anything that could be better than to exist as a family and over the years it took a lot of – we did a lot of changes. We lost our farm, we did other things – I don’t know a couple years ago I celebrated 80 years driving on the highways for 80 years and only having a couple of small accidents, fender benders, never anything serious, how could I have been more blessed than that?

Bill: Well, you make a great point Orson about just being able to live your life with your family and to live your life in a simple way. I guess I’m wondering as you think about the world today, do you think people could survive today if the Great Depression put poverty into the land the way it did during that period? What would people do today during that period? What would people do today?

Mr. Holt: Well, I couldn’t answer that, I don’t know but this much I do know that things are bad, really bad, people are losing their jobs and I don’t know how they exist. There’s no work well there’s a solution to that if we had patriots in our government. We need to bring the jobs back from Japan and China and wherever and we can do it. We need to – our government needs to, to establish taxes on – I don’t how to, I don’t know the correct word that the imports should be taxed to equal the cost of the production of those kind of services or whatever at the border and that would, that would allow jobs to be brought back to America that have been exported to Japan China and all over. And we cannot – our government and our people, especially our people cannot survive until they have work so that they can earn money to eat and live but that would cause a problem in my judgment and I’m just a farmer. I have a simple suggestion but it would work.

Bill: Well, your suggestion we’re definitely listening to as a man of 95 years, were listening to you because you’ve seen it all and I guess you mentioned people they were because then when they have work they get money and they can buy food, what was the food situation like during the depression? How do people eat?

Mr. Holt: Well, the farmers throughout the nation was in the same predicament as all of us were they had, they were raising crops and food and whatever that people needed but nobody had any money to buy it because there was no, there was no jobs where they can earn money to buy the food and that’s going to be the same now only 10 times worse or maybe even 100 times worse than during the Great Depression. But it was a blessing to me and to our family that I could work 10 or 11 hours a day and get a dollar. We could spend that dollar and buy food, and buy things that we needed to keep her little farm going and there was always expenses in whatever we do whether were in business or whether were farming – farming is no more than a business. It’s obvious to me that we need, that we need patriots back into our government. Patriots who want to see that our nation is not forced into communism like our president is trying to do.

Bill: What should people do today Orson, should they spend their money or should they save some of their money, what should people do as far as money should they be holding some – trying to get their cash and pay off their credit cards and get into a cash position so they have a little money in the bank?

Mr. Holt: Well, what’s going on with the Federal Reserve system, they’re printing money like it’s out of style and adding it to the money that’s already there that debases the value of money. I don’t know, I, well, I guess I’m a little different. I think the ones that put their faith in money are going to get blindsided because the value of money is going to decrease so badly that it will be like it was in World War I in Germany.

Brian: Mr. Holt, I just wanted take the time to – a quick question too, to see if you’ll reach back out to us. We want to celebrate your 96th birthday with you and I know you said it’s coming up in April but we really wanted to thank you for your time and your insight and your wisdom that you were able to share with us this morning so we wish you a great rest of the summer and into the fall, Bill real quick.

Bill: Well, I just wanted to say thank you again Orson and we really would love to talk to you on or about your birthday and check in with you when your 96. I know that you’ll continue to be working hard and making the best out of each day, from what I understand that’s how you live your life, that’s how we all should live our lives and I just want to say again thank you so much for spending some time with us.

Brian: We’re going to go ahead and run to a quick commercial break. As always thank you so very much, we know your time is valuable, it really is special that you spend some of it here with us. We’ll be right back.

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Brian: You know Bill I was thinking the other day, I was going through my gear closet which is adjacent to the garage and I’ve got literally boatloads of stuff and I said to you, what would be a great way – do you need any of this gear, can you use this or that and you go Bri, how about off the grid classifieds so…

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Welcome back to Off The Grid Radio, getting you ready to prepare for the worst.

Brian: Ladies and gentlemen welcome back, getting you ready to prepare for the worst. Now Bill most certainly our guest earlier in the show, Mr. Holt, talk about knowing what the worst is, to have survived World War II, to have taken a bullet at least one for a Purple Heart, to have survived the Great Depression, but what was such an amazing re-shift for me in my mind was that he keeps talking about a life and a blessing. He was making $.10 an hour; I don’t even think people can comprehend that, $.10 an hour. If you were for a 10 or 11 hour day, you get a buck that’s $.10 an hour, if my math is right, $.10 an hour he’s lived to be 95. He looks like he’s done just fine without an electric garage door opener and a microwave, do you think as a society and I think this is my major critique of everyone that says well, were into this progressive mindset – we become regressive not progressive. I think the people of the day may have been better prepared to withstand a depression but I’m with Mr. Holt, I don’t think we’re ready today.

Bill: I think today’s, whether it’s inner-city or out here in a rural area I could just tell you from the way that we live in the people we bump into, were not ready for anything like what he described, any kind of hardship. Now the government didn’t prop people up at that point his farm wasn’t being propped up, his wages weren’t being propped up, they had no place to turn, they had no soil bank that they were not being paid to not raise crops and stuff so the world was a different place. Washington was a long, long, long ways away – like an empire far, far away, right? Washington wasn’t part of everybody’s life like it is today so you had local government, you had of course state government, but you had community and family government and I think that’s what he’s making reference to. People were very content to live in that world and when the structures started to break apart at the federal level, there were plenty of social foundations to prop up families, you know he talked a lot about family and self government. And some of these things were able to prop him up but it’s important to remember that Roosevelt only made the depression worse and intensified it with his actions and prolonged it. I think you’ve got a similar style of government, it doesn’t really matter whether the Republicans or Democrats at this point you have people who in principle believe that government has a salvific function. So if they’re going to make everything right, were in the midst of a great credit bubble here Brian and it’s starting to pop in different places. In the 70s, they call that stagflation, if you had a little bit of this here and a little bit of that there, then you had some areas of the country that were booming. If you remember Silicon Valley was booming during a period of time, you had other places like building places up in Ohio, factories closing and moving so forth that you had that. So it’s always going to be because it’s a giant economy so you can always have a little bit of this back and forth where something’s are just kind of still growing, yet we still by iPads, sure. But what happened in the Great Depression affected the farmers first in the 20s. This is important thing to think about, farmers had it bad in the 20s, it didn’t take the 30s but in the 30s you had the automobile industry failed. Now our automobile industry is being propped up today, right? It failed, it literally failed – the big three, Ford wasn’t in too bad a shape but without any kind of loans, props, credit almost no interest rates to buy vehicles, you’ve got the same situation that would happen then. Then you had big manufacturing and automobiles it just started going downhill and then you have that trickle-down effect unfolding all the supplier histories that surround that, they start going out of business. We’re seeing the same thing exactly replay itself again today. It’s pretty amazing.

Brian: Should the too big to fail have gone by the wayside, I mean do you think we should and by we, I mean our federal government, should we have moved in to support the auto industry and the bailout package in the fashion in which we did?

Bill: Definitely not, too big to fail is a very foolish and immoral principle and is a principal that’s guided by and large by the folks that own those large companies that own information rich intermediaries to come and lobby Washington to make sure they – when things go down they’re still standing so a funny thing happened even after Roosevelt got elected. He did the same thing; it turned into almost a kind of a fascist state. There was a lot of socialist language but big business pretty much got protected and with a lot of these federal programs that FDR instituted that had unintended consequences as well. That put a lot of small businesses that relied on cheap labor that put them out of business.

Brian: Sure.

Bill: Now, so when government does something it never does it inside a vacuum, there’s always this cascade of events that take place, but I wanted to tell you about a couple of little things that I thought you might get a kick out of and they are kind of in the same vein as he was talking. Kim’s grandpa worked for about this same wage, a little less, he picked hops with the Blackfeet Indians. Now he was one of these guys that went west because there were no jobs. He lives in this area and just like an Oakie, a pre-Oakie, he went west and he got a job picking hops. Now he made almost no money, his attitude same thing. When I talked to him about it, he just died a few years ago, a great man – when he died, he had a – every time I talk to him about this, even right up to his death, a few days before he died, he had a twinkle in his eye as he described. He would tell me story after story about this and I’m fascinated with this period of time because that idea that people could have a blessing and have a good life without anything, I just don’t see that in the landscape in terms of our current way of thinking because we’re so geared to products. We’re so geared to creature comforts; we’re so geared to things. Maybe we could go back, I don’t know if we could go back and sort of you know if maybe a little hunger or a little bit of that will make us revisit what these foundations should be, I just don’t have any idea. The other point I wanted to make to you was that I knew a fellow named Otto Scott and his family was in Caracas and they had come back during the depression and his dad worked on Wall Street and one-day he said his dad came home early with a bunch of blood on his suit. Now how did the blood get on his suit? Someone jumped from a skyscraper and landed not too far from him and literally splattered on the concrete. You could imagine, now Otto, was a young man, a little boy at this time and what an impression that made on him to have his dad come home and say, somebody because they lost their stuff, right?

Brian: Sure, absolutely.

Bill: Their belongings which is hard, I mean no one is saying that’s all hard.

Brian: Right.

Bill: But if that’s all we concentrate on is our stuff, we can set ourselves up for some tremendous downsides.

Brian: But the downside Bill is not even a philosophical, it is more of a trapping downside. It’s not a physical one, you know you think all the time hey, could I survive without an iPad, could I survive without a microwave, could I survive, you know could I survive any of the things that we’ve, the crutches, the creature comforts as you would put them. I think there – and I notice I say coldhearted and I’m labeled this all the time – our future some people will survive it and some people won’t.

Bill: That’s the way it’s always been so there’s nothing wrong with that.

Brian: Nature, you know the ones the wolves pull down and to too big to fail – in my mind on a personal level now, if someone is too big or they’ve got too much stuff. Humans beings can pull off anything, I’ve done television interviews all over the country where climbers are lost on Mount Hood, vacationers are lost in the Grand Canyon, people are lost – we had an example not too long ago about last year or a couple of years back – the gentleman that went out into the Gulf of Mexico and survived four days treading water. Humanity can survive almost anything as long as you’re willing to let go, to quote the late George Carlin. As long as you’re willing to let go of your stuff.

Bill: That’s just such a great point and what you’re going to see in the next upcoming election, right through this November in for the following two years and then it culminated in a presidential is a replay of the old Hoover and I’m wondering if they are going to cut Obama off at the knees like they did Hoover. Now Hoover, was championed by the media but at some point he was hacked to pieces by them and they just let him go. And everything became Hoover’s fault even the weather they blamed on Hoover.

Brian: Sure.

Bill: So you have these – Hooverville was the shacks and do you know what a Hoover sandwich was?

Brian: No.

Bill: Two pieces of bread with nothing inside.

Brian: Okay.

Bill: See, so it was just the phrases that were made about people…

Brian: Sure.

Bill: PR agencies, by the news media, whatever demonized him. Well along comes FDR and says what, a chicken in every pot, hope and change, hope and change. Hope and chicken, how about that, hope and chicken? How about that, maybe I’ll run for president.

Brian: Right, there you go, I’ll put you on hold.

Bill: Hope and chicken, but what you’re going to see, and the reason I bring it up is you’re going to see people making a lot of promises in the same way that they may promises because hard times lend themselves to people being recipients and wanting stuff. So before we take off Brian – and there’s a couple of things I want to point out. The talk about cash, I saw Tony Robbins and go to say this really quick, we’ve only got so much time. I saw Tony Robbins video last night freaking out telling everybody we’re in a depression, almost telling people to sell stocks, go to cash. Listen, sometimes you got too much stuff as you say and we set up our off the grid classifieds for people that want to get rid of some of their stuff and we’ve given a discount, we’ve got a little banner up there. The classifieds are half off, if you’ve got something you want to sell because you think is just extra stuff in you want to go to cash and you want to hang onto some cash because you’re a little nervous about the future then off the grid classifieds section is now a viable way to try to sell to like-minded people.

Brian: Ladies and gentlemen don’t forget we have a growing audience every day, not just on the radio show but also on the website so your classified ad at off the grid classifieds will reach an ever increasing audience. We’re going to go ahead and have to run to make it to the top of the hour, as always, please I can tell you I’ve been sitting next to him when he read your e-mails, please send us e-mails, your questions, critiques, your comments to [email protected] Of course as always, Facebook, facebook.com/solutionsfromscience and I’ve even seen Bill do a twitter or two, you can reach out to us at offgridradio. Until next time, on behalf of the entire crew here at Off the Grid Radio, with Mr. Bill Heid, I’m Brian Brawdy.

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