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Newborn Seized After ‘Off-Grid’ Parents Refuse Social Security Number

Newborn Seized After Parents Refuse Social Security Number

HEFLIN, Ala. — A couple is charging that social workers took their newborn the day after he was born because of their alternative lifestyle and religious beliefs.

“They said our view was dangerous,” Christian Holm said of social workers for the Cleburne County, Ala., Department of Human Resources (DHR). “We were just trying to follow the Bible as close as we could and speak for Jesus.”

Holm and his wife, Danielle, have no house and live off the grid. They gave away their possessions and decided to enjoy life by hiking and camping out. When the two wanted to see the country, they put their car in storage and walked from Alabama to New Hampshire and back.

They were camping out at Cheaha State Park in northeastern Alabama in October when Danielle went into labor. She went to the Regional Medical Center in Anniston, Ala., to give birth, and DHR social workers came to her room and started quizzing the couple about their lifestyle and where they lived.

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Christian said state officials opposed their religious beliefs about “man’s creation destroying God’s creation” and also had concerns that the couple didn’t want to give the baby a Social Security number, according to The Anniston Star.

Police and social workers took the baby and did not tell the couple where they could find it, The Star reported.

“They took the baby, said, ‘He’s ours and this is the court date. Be there.’” Danielle told the newspaper.

Two months later the baby still had not been returned and the Holms were still waiting for their day in court. A hearing in the case had been scheduled for Dec. 20, but it was cancelled after Judge Melody Walker recused herself, The Star reported.

The Holms have attracted a group of supporters in Anniston who picketed the courthouse after the hearing was cancelled. Supporters have organized under the tagline “#freebabyholm.”

Newborn Seized After Parents Refuse Social Security Number“You can see when you talk to them directly that they are very loving and caring people,” Jonathan Payton, a friend and supporter of the Holms, told The Star. “That’s what really hit home.”

Christine Holm posted on Facebook Jan. 15 that the couple is getting a single two-hour visit a week with the baby.

“They say well you can have another ISP and arrange more visits,” he wrote. “What? Another organized coercion and conversion meeting just to have more visits? This is nothing but psychological control tactics to force submission at the expense of our little baby boy. Where is his so-called attorney to protect his rights?”

On social media, the public is divided.

“The Indians did it hundreds of years ago and had plenty more than we do now these days, why couldn’t they [also do it?],” one woman named Sherry wrote.

But others argued that modern society is different.

“The Indians lived in groups and took care of each other, food and shelter,” a man named Vince wrote. “The couple needs a plan to take care of this baby, it can’t live like they do, it needs special care, shots and meds. … Moving from place to place, out in the weather isn’t the best for anyone.”

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72 comments

  1. Modern “society” isn’t that old at all. What these two are doing is something that was actually quite the norm only up until about 100 years ago. I know this because my uncle who just recently turned 108, used to tell me his own parents moved around without a home before finally settling down when he was 12. Prior to that, they traveled from community to community.

  2. TheSouthernNationalist

    This is kidnapping sanctioned by the state!
    social workers are satanic by nature and should never be trusted!

    I hope these folks get their baby back and if they do, they need to leave where they are at and under no circumstances tell anybody where they are going.

  3. Disgusting & wrong, who the hell is the state to make such a decision??? As long as the parents are not harming the baby, it’s no ones business. The government is hardly in any place to LECTURE ANYONE ON MORALITY, OR RIGHT & WRONG.

  4. I didn’t notice where the article develops the facts around the involvement of Brady Byrum; one of Mr. Holm’s and Danielle’s best kept secrets.

    Brady came in early with his “sovereign citizen” legal theories and started meddling and has been, along with the parents anti-government tendencies, the primary reason why the custody issue was not dealt with effectively and efficiently.

    Mr. Holm and Danielle need to step up and accept their personal responsibility for the way things have gone with the custody issue.

    See FaceBook group “Understanding the Baby Holm Case” for a little better coverage.

  5. Danielle/Christian Holm

    Thank you Off the Grid News for your article about US. We appreciate you getting the word out. However we would like to personally take the time to clarify one part of your article that is not necessarily true. The article states, ” Holm and his wife, Danielle, have no house and live off the grid. They gave away their possessions and decided to enjoy life by hiking and camping out. When the two wanted to see the country, they put their car in storage and walked from Alabama to New Hampshire and back.

    While we DO “enjoy” hiking and camping very much, we were not doing this to pleasure ourselves and for selfish reasons. We dropped our house in NH where we resided (We did NOT travel from Alabama to NH and back to Alabama)…We actually lived in a house in New Hampshire and decided to drop our possessions, give to the needy and poor and reach as many people as possible on the road, and speak to as many churches as possible that we personally could along the way. We started driving in our car from New Hampshire, drove down to Florida, over to Colorado, down to Arizona and back over to Alabama. Once we got to Alabama, we dropped our car in Montgomery in a storage unit with some of our belongings to go back to later, including our baby stuff, and we sought out the Tallaedega National Forest. It was more than an adventure for us. it was serving our Creator. We sought out to have a natural childbirth and when the time was right, after birth we would move along in our car to wherever we would be led to potentially settle down at that point. That never happened because the labor process led us to the hospital which then opened the door for questions about what we were doing and why we did not want vaccinations, SS number, birth certificate, etc… This is the truth of the story, for those who care to know. Thank you again for your support Off the Grid News. #freebabyholm

    • Mistake #1. dont go to a hospital expecting to walk out with what you wanted. Should have learned to deliver own baby without hospital help if you didnt want anything they had to provide by modern law.

      I dont judge how you want to raise a family, and neither should anybody else.

    • This Mormon believes in you! Totally support what you’re doing. Praying you get your baby back!

    • This is truly a life of suffering. I have said several times if i had it to do over, my two children wouldn’t have social security numbers, they are 14 and 10 now. I have nothing but respect for the two of you and the strenghth you both clearly have. Stay strong, everything is for a reason. God is with you. You all will be in my prayers. My heart aches for your pain.

    • Do the father and mother have Social Security Numbers?

  6. You should actually contact the Holms if you want to know what happened. You will learn a lot.

  7. There’s much more to this story than is being told. These people are not mentally stable or anywhere near normal. Not bc of their lifestyle choices but bc of mental stability.

    They have had a couple days in court & they have completely refused to cooperate bc they won’t negotiate with “kidnappers”. They absolutely won’t cooperate at all.

    During the first 72hr court hearing the judge decided that dhs had good cause to take/ keep the baby. The court has asked for them to cooperate with the dhs investigators. They have absolutely refused.
    So… until they try to work with dhs the baby will continue to stay in foster care. The reason they are only allowed one 2 hour visit a week is bc dhs has to have security present for their safety. The Holm’s threatened to go to the court house with pitch forks therfore DHS fears for their safety.

    This is a terrible situation but they need to take responsibility for their actions to prove they are mentally stable enough to have their child.
    I sincerely hope they get their baby back.

    • If anyone is fit to have their baby, it is Christian and Danielle Holm. I have been following their story since November and I am shocked by the way they have been treated by everyone involved with the taking of their baby. I can not even imagine breast feeding your newborn and complete strangers come into your hospital room and take him! They have done NOTHING wrong! They have NOT abused their baby! My gosh, he was just born!! Get involve people! This is happening ALL over!! Even though their hearts have been ripped out of them, they STILL show love and kindness. Even when people rip them, like Anonymous who left their comment, Christian and Danielle Holm walk in LOVE! JUST GIVE THEM THEIR BABY BACK ALABAMA!! READ the real story #freebabyholm

      • Lol so you think they’re good parents because you’ve been following their story? The story they are choosing to tell you?

        They have fought, argued, and threatened every step of the way like children. They refuse to work with Dhr because it’s giving in when it’s getting your kid back but if they did that they wouldn’t be getting your sympathy and donations.

        I bet you also believe they will have to pay child support when actually child support will be paid for by thr state because Mr. Holms is on disability. Why is he on disability? Could it have to do with his mental problems?

    • Do you have ANY evidence to back your claims?

    • Why does the Holm’s refusal to co-operate with their baby’s kidnappers make them mentally unstable? If someone breaks into your house and tries to steal your possessions, do you just stand there and ‘negotiate’ with them or do you fight them all the way? As for your sweeping and quite juvenile generaliisations that the Holm’s ‘are not mentally stable or anywhere near normal’, this tells us more about your mental rigidity and total lack of awareness than it does about the free-thinking Holm family.

    • COOPERATE? SERIOUSLY? THEIR CHILD WAS STOLEN, AND most likely for profit. This country’s leaders don’t negotiate or ‘cooperate’ with terrorists, and the Holms SHOULD NOT EITHER! If other people would stand up against cps/dcs/dfc maybe they[ the system ] would be forced to STOP STEALING our children and TERRORIZING our familys….. I SAY THANK YOU TO MR. AND MRS. HOLMS! STAND WITH THEM, TELL THEIR STORY, LETS END THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN FAMILIES!!!

  8. Sovcit Investigator

    This whole situation is a joke and its a shame that the holm’s are using this newborn baby boy to play these sovcit games they like to play. All will be revealed and if its not here it will be at pearly gates of heaven! may God forgive you Christian,Danielle,Jonathan,Brady,Kent & anyone else involved in this sovereign citizen BS. If you don’t plan on trying to get the baby back get on out of Cleburne County AL. We do not want that around here and will not put up with this belief as we are law abiding citizens that pay our taxes and do what we have to do “WORK” to raise our kids and support our families. Take heed we all know the games your playing and you will pay for it one day!

    • The real story here is this is a first amendment violation of freedom of religion and accurately portrays the sordid truth that Christians everywhere can just have their infants removed from an American hospital and an American court by getting branded as “sov-cit” or some weird religious and unnacceptable belief (which I have not heard they have claimed). Apparently they failed a Cleburne County religion test. Some of the above comments are actual evidence of this. The Holms continue to state quite eloquently they are missionaries of the Gospel. Backpackers, keep your babies safe. Get a sitter when you go and don’t tell anyone about Jeshua, especially if you are missionaries!

    • Only a fool would speak of a child’s life as being a game….

      • Well, it is a game to them. To stand and butt heads with authority or to get a stable environment and get mental health care and get their kid back.

        The game is for the Holms to manipulate people into giving them money.

  9. there only mistake was seeking medical attention they will not get their baby back without a ssn number making him one more debt slave I applaud their attempt ,this legalized kidnapping by the state will not be undone without your capitulation …….M

  10. Thank you offthegridnews.com for publishing this article. However, you should have fact checked it by going directly to the source BEFORE proofreading and publishing!!!!!!!!!! I, too, have been following the story since the beginning. We should all remember who is the AGGRESSOR in this case: THE STATE OF ALABAMA!!!!!!!!!! This young family had EVERY RIGHT TO REFUSE the “routine procedures” being foisted upon them without their INFORMED “CONSENT” by the so-called “baby friendly” hospital!!!!!!!!!! They had EVERY RIGHT TO REFUSE a social security “NUMBER” for THEIR CHILD!!!!!!!!!! They did not even have a chance to abuse or neglect THEIR CHILD before he was RIPPED FROM THE MOTHER AS SHE WAS BREASTFEEDING HIM (DID THE “baby friendly” hospital CONSIDER THIS TO BE ABUSE AND NEGLECT??????????)!!!!!!!!!! I don’t know about others reading this, but the message I am getting is “DO NOT ASK FOR HELP OR GO TO A HOSPITAL TO HAVE YOUR BABY!!!!!!!!!!”!!!!!!!!!! I do not condone violence and I have not heard about the “pitchfork” accusation, but I have heard other people propose MUCH WORSE if anything happened to their children, but especially if the AGGRESSOR WAS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY!!!!!!!!!! The “good ole boy” network in the state of alabama is being uncovered by this case and they are USING BABY HOLM AS A PAWN TO COVER THEIR POSTERIORS (BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD?????????)!!!!!!!!!! Meanwhile, precedent setting lawsuits are being won in higher courts (SUCH AS THE RECENT CASE WHERE SOCIAL WORKERS CLAIMED THAT THEY HAD IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION WHEN COMMITTING PERJURY AND FALSIFYING RECORDS TO ACHIEVE THEIR OBJECTIVES!!!!!!!!!! THE COURT FOUND THAT THEY DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!) and it’s only a matter of time before the state of alabama WILL GET THE MEMO!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Cleburne County Dhr is in over their heads and they know it. They thought this was a newborn they could steal and the Holms would silently walk away.
    With the Fbi now being involved; three judges have stepped down from court case.
    **Justice will be served and the Holm’s will have their baby back!
    People that want to turn a blind eye to this case of clear corruption should not be pointing anywhere other than where it needs to be.

    • I hope not only that the baby is returned to the parents quickly, but those who are involved in this are fined to the point of being destitute, are incarcerated, and are shunned by entire communities.

    • They basically are walking away! They have done nothing to try to get custody of their baby besides create gofundme pages and whine on social media about how horrible it is that a baby should have adequate care. They have repeatedly lied to their followers. They have disobeyed court orders. They have recorded meetings with DHR that they weren’t supposed to and even posted it online then act like an insider released the recording.

      The ONLY attempts they have made have been sending bogus forms and lawsuits that some SovIdiot ahum Byrum….. wrote up and holding protests with weapons insinuating that it will get violent. Their lawsuits name judges over their case who then have to recuse themselves which then makes it even longer. The lawsuits are hilarious. Everyone needs to read them. They sound like an 11 year old with internet access wrote them to their mommy because they were mad that they were grounded from their video games. “You owe me a trillion gazillion billion dollars and if you don’t give me my games tomorrow I will take it that you agree.” Seriously, I couldn’t stop laughing. The grammar is on par with an 11 year old as well.

      Thankfully these people and their vocal supporters aren’t very intelligent. They have left a papertrail of their stupidity all across social media and the internet. It’s not hard to find.

      The old saying goes, “God doesn’t make mistakes.” Maybe the troublesome labor was to get this baby to safety?

  12. The system designed, with good intent, to protect children is flawed. In the scope of the numbers of children going into state care, those flaws are present in only a minority. Certainly I concur they need examined on a national level. With that said, I do not believe that is the case here. There has been no flaw. There has been cause and lack of cooperation on behalf of the parents, not cps. Parents Holm have flatly refused to do simple things that long ago would have put baby back in their arms. Mainly proving they can shelter and provide for the child. Simple. It is not unusual in today’s world for delivery rooms to deal with parents who make informed choices to not vaccinate, circumcise, VK prick, or even waive opportunity to apply for a social security card. It is disingenuous to pretend these things are not heard of! Every hospital in America deals with same issues daily whether delivering a child or doing surgery. So far in keeping up with the Holm saga the following reasons have been broadcast publicly as to why their child was removed, they have stated because they declined vaccines, circumcision, VK prick, social security number, and most recently have thrown out religion as the excuse. While promoting to the public that erroneous nonsense, they began an onslaught of worthless actions, letters, complaints, all seeking help to just get their child back, to courts and agencies that have nothing to do with the simple answers cps needs. And if that’s enough misguided efforts, the Holm team files a police report saying the wife was sexually abused at time labor in the state park. Filed just shy of a month after the supposed incident occurred. It is important to know Mr. Holm was present, and did nothing! No way. The Holm team have rejected licensed attorneys and instead followed a layman attorney (no such thing) and his advice. That advice was to assert the sovereign way of thinking by declaring no court has authority and the child is property. File pointless complaints, motions, letters, get some big social media attention and donations, all while willfully ignoring the courts original concern, simple shelter and care! No one will ever know the position of cps, by law they can not discuss such, thankfully. Lack of their facts being known, the Holm team pretty much has carte blanche to say anything they want about cps. Cps will not respond, nor do they care about all the frivolous, time consuming, hard work they have put into avoiding not doing what it takes to reunite with their child. The Holm’s disinformation and misguided use and abuse of the ‘system’ has sadly diminished the seriousness of a system that does need reexamined! It hurts every family that actually have been wronged. And it puts a cloud over those of us that do do things a little different!

    Mr. and Mrs. Holm, produced a baby. Not a cause.

    • Thank you for saying that, J Lamp. I’m so happy that there is someone else out there who understands what is really happening in this case. All of the other stuff is a just a smokescreen. The baby would have been returned by now if a few simple actions had occurred on the part of the parents. Hopefully you saw the hundreds of posts I made in their Facebook group before I finally got frustrated with all the non-sequitur and left. I’m sure glad that I’m not the only one who understands how the law and CPS work.

    • These parents should not have to ‘prove’ anything unless they themselves are ‘proven’ to be a danger to the baby. Refusing vaccinations and social security numbers do not qualify as dangerous. The laws are not ‘guilty until proving yourselves innocent’. Why should a parent have to make their beliefs subservient to some idiot’s beliefs when that is not the law? That’s what’s got me upset here: what law are they breaking? They have not shown, in any way, the desire or capacity to hurt their son and yet the entire family has been traumatized and the Alabama people’s tax dollars stolen. To what end, Alabama?

      • But the parents did prove to DHR that they weren’t fit at the time! The child was not taken because vaccines, bc, and ssn were refused. The Holms want you to think this and will say it because they know DHR can’t share the case.

        Also, they didn’t have to prove much. All they needed was a proper dwelling. They needed to give the address and let DHR see it. Is that too hars or too much?

    • J Lamp and M Simechak: Deny, deny, deny…then shake hands, walk away, and smile. Thank you for your opinion, but no, just no. Not going for it.

  13. They (the DHR) needs to mind there own damn business. Actually the whole nosy ass government needs complete restructuring. It’s all about the money they will lose. That’s all SS is. Permission to own your asses.
    WAKE UP!!!!

  14. Our opinions on their choices as individuals and as parents should make no difference. What the CPS did is kidnapping and wrong. They had no lawful reason to take their baby. It was a heinous act. The CPS agents, judges,and others involved should face charges for what they are doing to this family.

  15. It’s nice to see someone else who knows how it works. Have you read “you know something’s wrong when…” by Anna Reitzinger? Everyone should read this book.

  16. Sovcit Investigator

    Off the grid does not mean driving cars, living in a HOA for free in a camper gave to you im sure from someone you made feel sorry for you with the lie of “following yeshua”. This is all to shady and trust me I know more than I wanna know about this situation and what bothers me the most is the baby boy is the one getting hurt the most. Not by vaccs and normal care but by the parents and the sovcit mafia! Like I say I pray to Jesus as I call him my God that yall will come out of that imaginary anti-government sovcit BS dream yall are living in and do whats right to make sure the baby don’t have to suffer the rest of his life of what was done to him because of some silly ass cult known as “SOVEREIGN CITIZEN” Wake up Holm’s you are not fooling anybody in Cleburne County Alabama!

  17. “flu shots” there is one of the main reasons. It is sad that people think mental stability is providing mercury filled flu shots and sex change procedures for small children.

  18. If u are dumb enuff to bring a child into one of the worst world possible, dont complain

  19. We were told by more than one we were going to kill our own children if we took them out onto the open ocean. We sold everything except what we could put onto our sailboat, including books for schooling and medicine, replacement spares for whatever broke. For the most part we lived outside seeking shelter only when it rained (except for the guy on watch). We left for 7 years, returned to earn a living again. Our children were just fine, we were just fine. We took care ourselves and those around us. Our children, now adults with decent jobs support children of their own.

    As for SS#, once upon a time this was given out only when you began working as a way to contribute to your retirement. This way you insure you do not become a burden to society. Too bad we cannot do away with this to solve our retirement problems OURSELVES through saving a certain percentage of our paychecks. The elderly at one time, before graduates left their cities to find jobs in the field of their studies, found employment in their own towns, therefore taking in their parents when the time came. How simple is that?! As for the very few people who are disabled, without families, cannot care for themselves or work, a tax from our checks should go towards housing and feeding them. The vast majority of those on welfare should not be there. It’s not a right.

  20. A social security number is issued by the UN, not the US government.

    • UN = United Nations
      US (USA) = United States of America

      UN never issued SSN. Go back to school.

    • Social Security was one of many programs enacted in the 30’s as a result of the great depression. The UN hadn’t been created until the 40’s. Social Security numbers are indeed issued by the US Government.

  21. This is the choice they gave to native tribes either conform to our way of life or else we’ll take your children, ravage your woman and then kill all the men and women young & old does this sound like a great nation this is no fairy tale folks it’s 100% true

  22. This is what the people voted for.
    This is what democracy gets you; ever expanding and over reaching government.
    You will be told it can be better, if you just pay more and give them more power.

  23. Disgusting behaviour from the social Workers

  24. Sovcit Investigator

    Shutting down the Facebook group of illiterate sovcits…. Smart but you can run but you cannot hide. God sees all you do aka “Yeshua” in your terms. Wake up and realize the money and theology of sovcit is nowhere near what God or in your terms “Yeshua” has blessed you with in which is the one truly being affected in this situation! Grow up or as I like to say MAN UP! And do what parents are supposed to do and quit playing these games with the government. This is not the 1800’s nor are you indians … Definaly the craziest situation I’ve seen on this earth since God blessed me with life years ago. #BabyHolmDeservesIt

    • Los of frothing, SI.

      But not one clear reason why the state should have taken this child. I can only assume you believe it was in danger of some sort – care to explain ?

    • You are defending an institution THAT STEALS CHILDREN AND DESTROYS FAMILIES!
      THIS IS THE WORK OF SATAN.
      Stealing children was wrong in 1800 and it still is in 2017.
      Ignorance=lack of knowledge, EDUCATE YOURSELF FOOL!
      INDIANA CPS GETS PAID $100,000 per child that they enter into the foster system…. IF YOU’RE GOING TO INVOLVE YOURSELF, EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST.
      You are defending the work of satan.

  25. Why not just agree to everything until they left the hospital. I’m sure they could give a relatives address. Sad to lie but sometimes you need too

    • Because once they’ve assigned the child a ssn, that child becomes property of the system. The only way to undo it would be to get emancipated from the gov., thus drawing unwanted attention from the system in doing so….

  26. Shots and meds and of course the all important social security #,that is what this is about,plain and simple.

  27. For those of you that think this story is outlandish, it is happening all across the country and has been for a long time. The family court system is denying people their CONSTITUTIONAL rights. That is the crux of the matter. Not what the family’s story is, or whether YOU think they deserve to have their child back. If the judges in the family courts were upholding the CONSTITUTION of American citizens, then we would see things start to change. It is time for the people to know what is really going on in these courtrooms. OPEN the family courtrooms and allow a JURY trial. The parents are gagged and threatened not to speak out, that is why the general public has no clue what is going on. Most parents go along and think if they cooperate with the KIDNAPPERS they will get their children back. And, in some cases that happens, but at what expense? What kind of tyranny do you think families are exposed to after they “cooperate” and are “allowed” to have their children back? Do you think they go on to live their lives freely after that?

    So, for the ANONYMOUS comment that wanted to speak out about the Holm family, what do you think they would get for their “cooperation”? What do you think their lives would be like once they are “allowed” by the state to have their child back under their conditions?

    Parents in America are being denied their constitutional rights. Who is going to stand up and say “enough is enough”?

    Learn more at medicalkidnap.com

    http://www.familiesmatterusa.wordpress.com

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  28. For those of you that think this story is outlandish, it is happening all across the country and has been for a long time. The family court system is denying people their CONSTITUTIONAL rights. That is the crux of the matter. Not what the family’s story is, or whether YOU think they deserve to have their child back. If the judges in the family courts were upholding the CONSTITUTION of American citizens, then we would see things start to change. It is time for the people to know what is really going on in these courtrooms. OPEN the family courtrooms and allow a JURY trial. The parents are gagged and threatened not to speak out, that is why the general public has no clue what is going on. Most parents go along and think if they cooperate with the KIDNAPPERS they will get their children back. And, in some cases that happens, but at what expense? What kind of tyranny do you think families are exposed to after they “cooperate” and are “allowed” to have their children back? Do you think they go on to live their lives freely after that?

    So, for the ANONYMOUS comment that wanted to speak out about the Holm family, what do you think they would get for their “cooperation”? What do you think their lives would be like once they are “allowed” by the state to have their child back under their conditions?

    Parents in America are being denied their constitutional rights. Who is going to stand up and say “enough is enough”?

    Learn more at medicalkidnap dot com

    www dot familiesmatterusa dot wordpress dot com

    freethebabies2016 at gmail dot com

  29. Spot on! It’s all a bunch of BS.

  30. I feel their pain! In 04′ I had twins because I didn’t have insurance and for saying I didn’t like concentrated formula and besides my fridge broke the day I went into labor. The doctor call the Human Services and decided not even 24 hrs. After I had my twins I needed to leave the hospital never mind the fact I had C-section the afternoon before! I couldn’t take my babies and when I did go back to feed them they put an armed police officer watching me feed my kids after I was told to leave the agony I went through for 5 days. My suggestion is find a place stabilize your current situation, it has been 2 months no matter how loving you are, reality is we don’t have much say they do! I couldn’t be without them for five days! Two months should tell you something why let someone else take care of your baby. Family first! But your cause should be after. Good luck to them both they got a big fight for their family.

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  32. Mentally challenged or not, the guys have the right to f**k anytime and have lots of kids off the grid. Those kids won’t have neither identity nor rights as any other world citizen, their off the grid parents would exploit them as they choose to and wouldn’t be redevable, because their kids DON’T EXIST.

    What’s with you, guys, those who fight for the poor innocent being to be returned to the two very skilled f*****s? It’s a joke, no?

    Let the poor baby into the grid, that’s humanity and Earth, get him ridden of his jokers of parents and have a normal life, as God will deem to give him.

  33. The baby got taken because they were living in a tent in the woods in December. It’s not like she didn’t know she was pregnant. They had the financial resources to at least get themselves an rv, tiny home, some other dwelling that would keep the baby safe and warm. They were OPTIONALLY homeless. This has nothing to do with them opting out of vaccines or getting an SSN.
    This whole case makes the movement to allow more parental freedoms look stupid. There are plenty of people who didn’t deserve to lose custody of their children that could use a group like this to advocate for them, but then they chose to feature people like the Holms’ instead.

  34. These devils need to have there babies taken from them they are wicked burn them all the nerve of them educate yourselves people ini don’t need government control or government regulation learn to do for self and stop fuck n with them hospitals etc this couple should do what they have to do by any means Necessary till their child appears perfectly normal and without chips and experiments ran on it anarchy

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